NBA chat/svastara/prepucavanja

[Lillard]

Ajmo ovako, koliko ekipa u ligi ima sistem koji je prepoznatljiv?

vrlo malo, ovo je liga igraca prvenstveno, treneri su tu manji faktor jbg, ali bar meni je draza kosarka sistema, tako je nazovimo

Jbg, nije Durant sistem ko James. Slatki Pierce

O tom odlasku i načinu je sve već rečeno, tako da ne znam što se ponavljamo više. Svaki igrač ima pravo otić di želi, tako i svaki fan ovog sporta ima pravo pljeskat tom potezu ili ga pljuvat.

[bombaysaphire]

Ajmo ovako, koliko ekipa u ligi ima sistem koji je prepoznatljiv?

vrlo malo, ovo je liga igraca prvenstveno, treneri su tu manji faktor jbg, ali bar meni je draza kosarka sistema, tako je nazovimo

Jbg, nije Durant sistem ko James. Slatki Pierce

O tom odlasku i načinu je sve već rečeno, tako da ne znam što se ponavljamo više. Svaki igrač ima pravo otić di želi, tako i svaki fan ovog sporta ima pravo pljeskat tom potezu ili ga pljuvat.

Zaboravih ti spomenuti još da u jednoj epizodi Magicov sin je imao sastanak sa sinom Jasona Kidda

[Lillard]

Ja baš gledao Magicov interjvu i priča on o sinu. Ja kontam ono normala momak, kad ono

[alemsa]

Ja baš gledao Magicov interjvu i priča on o sinu. Ja kontam ono normala momak, kad ono

Kad ono wide receiver

[miki_92]

najzanimljivije od svega je zasto je ovaj @bombaysaphire gledao sve to

[alemsa]

Poenta je da je Curry sutuno koliko i Westbrook sa KDem,pored Klaya koji je takodje jedan od najboljih sutera ikada...Znaci skoro isti broj suteva,u kud i kamo talentovanijem rosteru GS,sto ce reci da nije bas Russ forsirao koliko se to pominjalo.173 sl.bacanja vise?
Nije morao KD biti jasno prva opcija u OKCu,samo je sistem morao biti bolji i trener je morao imati vise autoriteta sta da se radi u zavrsnicama,kako ne bi bilo ono njihovo poznato "moj red-tvoj red".To je bio njihov problem,po meni,a toliko popare je Westbrook pojeo.Cesto nezasluzeno.

Nakazio sam da je Wb otkako je postao ozbiljan igrac, uzimo vise suteva od Kd, tako da jeste forsirao koliko se pominjalo

[bombaysaphire]

najzanimljivije od svega je zasto je ovaj @bombaysaphire gledao sve to

Gledao one žene sportista , dobre pravo kad reklame , vidim faca poznata , aj da provjerim.... Kad ono topli brat , i maksuz pogledam epizodu kad ono i Kidd ima toplog sina ,


Ma to je Amerika , možeš biti kakav hoćeš samo plaćaj porez

[alemsa]

Od 2010/2011 do 2016-e WB je uzeo 7897 suteva, KD 7804

Sto ga stavlja drugi na listi u tom periodu, Lebron je prvi sa 50 suteva vise, PG-a tu nea do Currija koji je 8-i sa hiljadu suteva manje. KD odigro 800 minuta vise od WB u tom periodu

od 2012e do 2016e WB je uzeo 6507 suteva, KD 6266, opet je samo Bron ispred WB po uzetim sutevima. KD odigro preko 700 minuta vise u tom periodu

Moze i po sezonama, 2011/12 je zadnja sezona da jeKD uzeo vise suteva i to 40 suteva vise, ostalo je sve WB uzimao vise suteva, kad su bili citavi.

[NEZALAGANJE]

@aleme Promasujes poentu,kao i obicno kad repliciras meni.Nije upitno da je RW sutirao vise,vec je poenta da je uz KDa uzeo skoro isti broj suteva kao i Curry i to u mnogo manje talentovanoj ekipi nego li su GSW.A na to sve imao 173 sl.bacanja vise od Stepha.
To ukazuje da je veci problem bio sistem i trener,te iso igra njega i Duranta nego li forsiranje Westbrooka.
Jednako je grijesio i KD kao i Russ,ali to cemo presutiti ili da postavim video s pocetka sezone kako Green divlja kad KD pokusava iso igru u zavrsnici protiv MEM!?

[Lillard]

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Frajer isti Westbrook.

[alemsa]

@aleme Promasujes poentu,kao i obicno kad repliciras meni.Nije upitno da je RW sutirao vise,vec je poenta da je uz KDa uzeo skoro isti broj suteva kao i Curry i to u mnogo manje talentovanoj ekipi nego li su GSW.A na to sve imao 173 sl.bacanja vise od Stepha.
To ukazuje da je veci problem bio sistem i trener,te iso igra njega i Duranta nego li forsiranje Westbrooka.
Jednako je grijesio i KD kao i Russ,ali to cemo presutiti ili da postavim video s pocetka sezone kako Green divlja kad KD pokusava iso igru u zavrsnici protiv MEM!?

Pa KD je propustio 20 tekmi.

[NEZALAGANJE]

Pa KD je propustio 20 tekmi.

Da,ali je isto tako tu Thompson koji ima nekih 15-16 suteva po tekmi i ciji broj suteva je rastao u odsustvu Duranta tako da imas sasvim dovoljnu kompenzaciju.Nije Curry morao uzimati 30 suteva u odsustvu Duranta.
Usput,one podatke sto sam iznio o Russu kao i to da nije on toliko forsirao,je postavio Young,a on je lik koji je bio beat writer OKCa,a sada radi za ESPN.Tako da je svojim ocima sve poblize mogao vidjeti.

[alemsa]

Pa KD je propustio 20 tekmi.

Da,ali je isto tako tu Thompson koji ima nekih 15-16 suteva po tekmi i ciji broj suteva je rastao u odsustvu Duranta tako da imas sasvim dovoljnu kompenzaciju.Nije Curry morao uzimati 30 suteva u odsustvu Duranta.
Usput,one podatke sto sam iznio o Russu kao i to da nije on toliko forsirao,je postavio Young,a on je lik koji je bio beat writer OKCa,a sada radi za ESPN.Tako da je svojim ocima sve poblize mogao vidjeti.

Uzimo je 17 suteva sa KD, bez KD 21.7

[Epidaurus]

KD se savrseno uklopio u igru GSWa jer su puno bolje slozena ekipa od OKCa (sa puno vise talenta takodjer), jer imaju bolje trenersko osoblje i jer Steph nema psihu Wessa. Kad vidis da Steph uzme loptu u prvoj sekundi napada, pimpla je 20 sekundi onda ispali nesto divlje (iako je takav suter da su mu i divlji sutevi skoro pa dobri) onda se moze povlacit neka paralela s Wessom.

[Kobe Bryant]

Najgora osobina Westbrooka što pimpla loptu 15-20 sekundi, nije problem tranzicija i hajde te nerezonske trice to se i nekako pokrije, ali sviju izludi što neda loptu

[NEZALAGANJE]

Najgora osobina Westbrooka što pimpla loptu 15-20 sekundi, nije problem tranzicija i hajde te nerezonske trice to se i nekako pokrije, ali sviju izludi što neda loptu

Pa upravo to,to je nedostatak sistema.A istu stvar je radio i Durant ,posebno u zavrsnicama kad su igrali "moj red-tvoj red".
@alem To i dokazuje moju poentu.Znaci da nije uzeo previse suteva u njegovom odsustvu.Cak i ako mu oduzmes 400 suteva opet nije velika razlika s obzirom na puno veci talenat GSa,gdje je barem 5 ljudi sposobno nekome iskreirati sut.

[Epidaurus]

A cek sta je to tacno Curry trebao uraditi da ti ne pokusavas dokazati Bog sam zna sta sad ? Covjek je dvostruki MVP, prvi unanimous MVP ikad, najbolji suter u historiji kosarke, zasto bi on kao dokazaniji igrac nesto drasticno smanjivao svoju kvotu suteva zbog KDa ? Uostalom njegovi sutevi nisu ni blizu kao Wessovi da ubiju ritam i volju za igrom suigracima, daleko od toga da je samo sistem problem kod Wessa jer evo i ove godine kad nije bilo KDa nije pokazao neku volju da pusti ostale da igraju mada eto moze mu se naci opravdanje u limitiranim suigracima (al opet daleko od invalida kakvima ih neki nastoje prikazati). Bas bih volio da Blake ode u OKC dogodine pa da vidimo hocel Russ nastaviti sa odbijanjem bilo kakvih prilgodbi il ce i dalje igrat svoju hero ball kosarku.

[NEZALAGANJE]

Pokusavam dokazati da nije problem broj suteva koji se uzme uz KDa vec sistem i volja igraca da se prilagode timu.Nadalje,pokusavam dokazati da Westbrook nije bio nista manji divljak u OKCu od KDa,a u pravilu je on trpio kritike i takva se slika stvorila o njemu i to je bukvalno rekao i covjek koji je pratio OKC godinama.

[Epidaurus]

Pa ono, KDu se nije s.ralo za divljanje jer je jedan od par najtalentovanijih strijelaca ikad, skolski primjer nezaustavljivog strijelca. Russ je, pored svog srca i talenta koji ima, ipak dosta manje talentovan i isprofiliran strijelac od KDa pa tako da nije ni bilo uredu da ima istu ili cak vecu potrosnju od njega.

[Lillard]

Dear Kevin Durant:

I’ve seen people call you a villain lately, and I have to laugh. It’s silly. Nothing in your personality screams “villain!” I don’t think many people actually think of you as a villain. It’s a contrived storyline in an NBA spring when most of the storylines are contrived.

We’re bored. That’s all. You and your Golden State Warriors are 14–0 in the NBA playoffs. You are going to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers for the championship unless LeBron James does something incredible, like turn Tristan Thompson into Anthony Davis. And then you will celebrate with Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Klay Thompson and Steve Kerr, and … well, here’s the truth:

I’m less impressed with each of you than I was a year ago. Really. A year ago, Kerr seemed like one of the best coaches in sports. Now he seems like a hood ornament. The car moves just fine without him. Curry was a phenomenon; now he doesn’t have to be. Green and Thompson were essential pieces to a championship contender. Now they can have off nights and their team wins by 20.

And you … you and your Oklahoma City Thunder nearly beat the 73-win Warriors in the playoffs, which should have set up an epic duel this spring, except you bailed for Golden State, where the talent is overwhelming, and here we are: you, on the verge of a ring, and me, bored.

You may not care what I think. That’s fine. Nobody can make you care. But I’m going to explain it anyway.

The problem with your Warriors experience is that there was no struggle. You showed up, killed everybody and won. It was not surprising or interesting. It feels like a bunch of parents conspired to put the best players on the same Little League team. Sure, you’re going to win, but we all expected that as long as you stayed healthy. (And no, Kerr’s back injury does not count. Please.)

You have the two best pure scorers in the league (you and Curry) and two of the five best defensive players (Klay Thompson and Draymond Green). That’s it. That’s the whole screenplay. The rest is just special effects.

If I see one more analyst point to a piece of lint in front of you and claim it’s a hurdle, I’m going to get physically ill. Your coach couldn’t sit on the bench? Come on. You had to learn to “coexist” on the floor with Curry … I mean, really? This is like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett figuring out how to split the dinner check. It’s not adversity; it’s accounting.


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This Warriors team is unprecedented in my time watching the NBA. Sure, there have been dominant NBA teams in the past, but the principals all had to build toward dominance. Michael Jordan’s Bulls had to go through the Celtics and Pistons. When Jordan came back from his first retirement, he wasn’t himself, and the Bulls lost to Shaquille O’Neal, Anfernee Hardaway and a rising Magic team. That’s what made the next year’s 72-win Bulls fun to watch. Jordan was reasserting his grip on the league.

The Shaq-Kobe Lakers lost in the playoffs four times—and were swept twice—before winning their first championship. They had one dominant playoff run, in 2001, but they nearly lost to the Trail Blazers in 2000 and the Kings in 2002. The James-Wade-Bosh Heat became interesting when we (and they) realized winning a championship would be hard for them.

Maybe the Spurs would have given you that challenge if Kawhi Leonard hadn’t gotten hurt. We’ll never know. But for now, it feels like Jordan’s Bulls signed Charles Barkley in the middle of their run. That would have left Scottie Pippen as a defensive specialist who didn’t need to score that much, even though everybody knew he could. Thompson was Curry’s Pippen. He was a lot more fun to watch last year, when the Warriors needed him to be the great player he is.

This is not your fault. A combination of circumstances—like Curry’s contract and a one-time cap spike—gave you the opening to leave Oklahoma City for Golden State. All you did was run through it.

You had a right to do it. But there is no way this championship will be as gratifying as a championship with the Thunder would have been. No intelligent basketball fan believes you found a missing quality inside yourself this year. You were a cinch Hall of Famer in Oklahoma City. You’re a cinch Hall of Famer now. You didn’t have to become a better leader, or become mentally tougher, or learn how to will your team to victory, or finally beat the last guy standing in your way. You just got better teammates. The End.

I understand the impulse that led you to Golden State. It didn’t really come from you. It came from us. We, as a sports-loving society, have become absurdly narrow-minded in our assessment of great players. We act like anybody who fails to win a championship is a fraud, especially in basketball. We assess individuals purely on the results of a team game. It’s idiotic. Somehow it’s James’s fault when J.R. Smith doesn’t make shots. And if you hadn’t won a title in Oklahoma City, some people would have acted like it was a character flaw, instead of one disappointing aspect of a spectacular career.

So enjoy your next two wins. Enjoy your championship. I’m sure some people will gush that you “finally did it,” as though this one-season steamrolling is a natural extension of what you built in Oklahoma City. It isn’t. That will be another contrived storyline. And some will claim that you are the best player in the world now, ahead of James and Curry, but that will also be silly. We all know that if we swapped you for James, the Warriors would be at least as dominant. And we all knew you could play at an MVP level. That’s why you won that MVP a few years ago. This series is not telling us anything we don’t already know.

I’m sure you know that winning won’t be easy forever. Players age and get injured. Opponents rise. In a year or two, the Warriors will trail in a playoff series and be in real danger of losing. That’s when I’ll be interested again. And I won’t think of you as a villain or a hero—just a great player who needs to squeeze everything out of himself. That’s one of my favorite parts of basketball. I miss it.

Take care,

Michael Rosenberg