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PostPostao/la formance » 25 okt 2014, 00:48

Prošle godine na jednom stranom forumu je momak postavio neke od 'nezvaničnih mečeva' nekadašnje 'Velike četvorke (Borg, Connors, Mac, Lendl), koje ATP nije priznavao, a koji su nudili veliki nagradni fond i koji su privlačili ogromnu pažnju, kako publike i sponzora, tako i samih igrača. Često su se propuštali veliki ATP turniri, uključujući i neke od GS-ova, da bi se učestvovalo na nekim od ovih egzibicija, jer su nudili mnogo više love nego zvanični turniri, a format takmičenja na mnogim od njih je bio kudikamo zanimljiviji.

Iako sama lista vjerovatno nije potpuna (teško je naći podatke o mečevima prije 30+ godina, koje ATP nije ubrajao u oficijalnu statistiku), zanimljivo je pogledati kako je to izgledalo. Mečevi su uzeti sa turnira koji su od igrača zahtjevali najmanje dva dobijena meča na turniru. Evo međusobnih omjera 'Velike četvorke'.

Borg vs Connors

October 1976 - Caracas RR - Connors 6-4 5-7 6-3
April 1978 - Tokyo Suntory Cup F - Borg 6-1 6-2
September 1978 - Buenos Aires F - Connors 5-7 6-3 6-3
December 1979 - Frankfurt F - Borg 6-3 4-6 6-3 6-4
March 1980 - Copenhagen Europe vs. USA - Connors 6-4 6-2
February 1981 - Toronto Molson Challenge RR - Connors 7-5 6-3
July 1982 - Industry Hills F - Connors 5-7 6-2 6-2 6-7 6-2
October 1982 - Montreal Molson Challenge F - Connors 6-4 6-3
January 1983 - Rosemont Challenge of Champions RR - Borg 6-4 1-6 6-2
April 1983 - Tokyo Suntory Cup F - Connors 6-3 6-4


Računajući ove mečeve konačni H2H njih dvojice nije 15-8, već 18-15 za Borga. ;)

Borg vs McEnroe

March 1979 - Vienna F - Borg 3-6 6-1 6-4
November 1979 - Milan Brooklyn Masters F - Borg 1-6 6-1 6-4
February 1981 - Toronto Molson Challenge SF - McEnroe 6-3 3-6 7-6
November 1982 - Perth Swan Lager Challenge F - McEnroe 6-1 6-4
November 1982 - Sydney AKAI Gold Challenge RR - Borg 3-6 6-4 7-5 6-2
December 1982 - Barcelona Europe vs. Americas - McEnroe 6-3 2-6 6-4
December 1982 - Antwerp ECC SF - McEnroe 2-6 6-4 6-3
April 1983 - Tokyo Suntory Cup SF - Borg 6-3 6-4


Koliko je njihovo rivalstvo bilo izjednačeno, dovoljno govori podatak da je zajedno sa ovim mečevima njihov konačni međusobni skor glasio 11-11. Definitivno 'match up' za kojim najviše žalim, a još više mi je žao što je večinu ovih mečeva jako teško naći.

Borg vs Lendl

October 1982 - Montreal Molson Challenge SF - Borg 7-6 7-6
November 1982 - Perth Swan Lager Challenge SF - Borg 6-4 1-6 6-3
November 1982 - Sydney AKAI Gold Challenge RR - Borg 6-1 6-4 6-2
January 1983 - Chicago Challenge of Champions SF - Lendl 6-1 7-5


Konačni omjer: 9-3 za Borga. Ovdje je interesantno da su 3 meča koje je Borg dobio odigravana u dvorani, a Lendl je te 1982 godine bio ubjedljivo najbolji 'Indoor igrač'. Ipak, bilo bi zanimljivo vidjeti kako bi se Borg nosio sa 'Prime Lendlom' '85-87'. Još jedno veliko rivalstvo koje smo propustili.

Lendl vs McEnroe

April 1981 – Rome Invitational F – McEnroe 7-6 6-4
April 1981 - Tokyo Suntory Cup SF - McEnroe 6-1 7-5
November 1981 – Milan Brooklyn Masters F – Lendl 6-4 2-6 6-4
December 1981 – Barcelona Europe vs. Americas – McEnroe 4-6 7-6 6-1
January 1982 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions SF – McEnroe 6-1 7-6
February 1982 – Toronto Molson Challenge F – Lendl 7-5 3-6 7-6 7-5
November 1982 – Sydney AKAI Gold Challenge RR – Lendl 7-5 6-2 1-6 4-6 6-1
December 1982 – Barcelona Europe vs. Americas – Lendl 2-6 7-5 6-2
December 1982 – Antwerp ECC F – Lendl 3-6 7-6 6-3 6-3
January 1983 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions RR – McEnroe 6-3 6-2
November 1983 – Luxembourg F – Lendl 6-4 6-2
November 1983 – Canberra F – McEnroe 6-3 6-1
February 1984 - Sydney AKAI Gold Challenge - McEnroe 7-5 6-2 6-1
April 1984 – Tokyo Suntory Cup F – Lendl 6-4 3-6 6-2
April 1985 – Inglewood F – McEnroe 6-4 7-6
April 1985 – Tokyo Suntory Cup F – Lendl 6-4 6-2
October 1985 – East Rutherford F – Lendl 7-5 6-4
November 1985 – Antwerp ECC F – Lendl 1-6 7-6 6-2 6-2
January 1986 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions SF – Lendl 7-6 6-3
July 1986 – Inglewood F – Lendl 6-4 3-6 7-6
August 1986 – Jericho F – Lendl 6-2 6-4
November 1986 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions SF – McEnroe 6-4 7-5
May 1987 – Barcelona F – Lendl 6-2 3-6 6-2
October 1987 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions RR – Lendl 5-7 6-4 7-6
November 1988 - Stuttgart RR - McEnroe 7-6 7-6
December 1988 – Inglewood F – McEnroe 7-5 6-2
October 1989 – Bologna F – Lendl 6-4 7-5


Konačni omjer: 37-25 za Lendla. Ovdje vidimo da je u Lendlovom 'prime' periodu od 10 odigranih mečeva, McEnroe dobio samo dva. Također je interesantno da u Johnovoj čuvenoj 1984, po nekima i najboljoj sezoni nekog igrača svih vremena, Lendl nanio McEnrou još jedan poraz (pored onog iz Roland Garrosa).

Connors vs McEnroe

July 1979 – Frejus F – McEnroe 6-4 6-3
July 1979 – Montpellier F – Connors 7-6 2-6 7-5
April 1980 – Brussels F – McEnroe 6-1 7-5
April 1980 – Tokyo Suntory Cup F – Connors 7-5 6-3
January 1981 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions F – McEnroe 6-2 6-4 6-1
April 1981 – Tokyo Suntory Cup F – Connors 6-4 7-6
January 1982 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions F – Connors 6-7 7-5 6-7 7-5 6-4
January 1983 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions SF – Connors 6-1 5-7 6-2
April 1984 – Tokyo Suntory Cup SF – McEnroe 4-6 6-3 6-4
January 1985 – Las Vegas Challenge of Champions RR – McEnroe 6-3 4-6 6-2
October 1987 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions SF – McEnroe 6-4 6-4
April 1988 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions RR – McEnroe 7-5 6-1
June 1989 – Edinburgh F – McEnroe 7-6 7-6


Konačni omjer: 28-19 za McEnroa. Naravno, ovdje je svakako najinteresantniji onaj meč iz Januara 1982 u Chikagu, kada se desio čuveni incident.

Lendl vs Connors

January 1982 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions RR – Connors 6-2 3-6 6-3
February 1982 – Toronto Molson Challenge RR – Lendl 6-4 6-3
January 1983 – Rosemont Challenge of Champions F – Lendl 4-6 6-4 7-5 6-4
July 1983 – Sun City F – Connors 7-5 7-6
December 1983 – North Miami Beach F – Connors 6-3 7-6 6-1
August 1985 – Jericho F – Lendl 6-1 6-3
October 1985 – East Rutherford SF – Lendl 6-1 6-3
January 1986 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions RR – Lendl 6-3 5-7 6-1
January 1986 – Atlanta Challenge of Champions F – Lendl 6-2 6-3
August 1990 – Forest Hills WCT Tournament of Champions QF – Lendl 3-6 7-5 1-0 ret


Konačni omjer: 29-16 za Lendla, iako neki mečevi sasvim sigurno nisu uračunati, poput onog iz finala Sao Paula 1991, za kojeg niko ne zna kako je završio (osim onih koji su taj meč gledali uživo) :mrgreen:
"I think for me the most talented of all times was Rios. But unfortunately he doesn't want to continue his tennis career, because when it's too easy for you, then it's boring. For me, tennis is not so easy" - Marat Safin

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PostPostao/la Claus » 25 okt 2014, 10:58

Svaki od njih je imao svog antipoda, nešto slično kao i danas. Meni je najviše žao što smo ostali uskraćeni za više mečeva između Borga i McEnroea (jer svaki njihov meč je bio klasik), a znate da kod mene njihovo rivlastvo kotira visoko. Čak i oni susreti koji su odigrani su teško dostupni na internetu. Vjerovatno su i Borg i Lendl mogli ponuditi još dosta toga, da se kojim slučajem Šveđanin nije prerano "ugasio", jer je Ivanu nedostajao pravi konkurent na sporijim podlogama, a Ledeni bi mu bio i više od toga.

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PostPostao/la Virtu4l » 25 okt 2014, 22:11

Claus WroteColonSvaki od njih je imao svog antipoda, nešto slično kao i danas.


Ko je Nadalov?
AMARE VRATI SE !

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PostPostao/la jestamaji » 26 okt 2014, 00:05

Virtu4l WroteColon
Claus WroteColonSvaki od njih je imao svog antipoda, nešto slično kao i danas.


Ko je Nadalov?


Austalian Open i Masters :mrgreen:

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PostPostao/la formance » 26 okt 2014, 00:43

Virtu4l WroteColonKo je Nadalov?


U zadnje vrijeme 'tinejđeri'. :tralala:
"I think for me the most talented of all times was Rios. But unfortunately he doesn't want to continue his tennis career, because when it's too easy for you, then it's boring. For me, tennis is not so easy" - Marat Safin

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PostPostao/la Virtu4l » 26 okt 2014, 01:00

formance WroteColon
Virtu4l WroteColonKo je Nadalov?


U zadnje vrijeme 'tinejđeri'. :tralala:


I on je bio takav, zna koliko to znači ovoj djeci :tralala:
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PostPostao/la formance » 26 okt 2014, 01:09

:lol: :lol:

Promijeniše se uloge, sad su oni 'sado', a Rafa 'mazo'. :rol:
"I think for me the most talented of all times was Rios. But unfortunately he doesn't want to continue his tennis career, because when it's too easy for you, then it's boring. For me, tennis is not so easy" - Marat Safin

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PostPostao/la Claus » 26 okt 2014, 11:02

Virtu4l WroteColon
Claus WroteColonSvaki od njih je imao svog antipoda, nešto slično kao i danas.


Ko je Nadalov?


Počevši od 2011. Đoković, a u zadnje vrijeme i tinejdžeri. :mrgreen:

Isto pitanje bi se moglo postaviti i za Samprasa, baš me zanima kakvi će biti odgovori. :hmmmmm:

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PostPostao/la Virtu4l » 26 okt 2014, 12:00

Claus WroteColonPočevši od 2011. Đoković


Nije Nadalova profesionalna karijera počela 2011.
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PostPostao/la Claus » 26 okt 2014, 12:09

Virtu4l WroteColon
Claus WroteColonPočevši od 2011. Đoković


Nije Nadalova profesionalna karijera počela 2011.


Nigdje nećeš naći igrače čija se karijera u bobu poklapa, tako da neko nekom ne mora biti čitavu karijeru rival da bi mu bio antipod. Nije ni Federer počeo s profesionalnim tenisom 2008. (od tada je krenula Rafina dominacija u njihovom matchupu). :kafa: A ako već hoćeš - 2011. se desila samo kulminacija (ili prekretnica, možda je bolji izraz) Djodala, obzirom da je Novak i ranije bio vrlo neugodan za Nadala i izgubio nekoliko tijesnih mečeva. Naravno, one koje je dobio, dobio je dominantno, slično kao i Roger kada je pobjeđivao Španca.

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PostPostao/la Gefufna » 26 okt 2014, 23:07

Virtu4l WroteColon
Claus WroteColonSvaki od njih je imao svog antipoda, nešto slično kao i danas.


Ko je Nadalov?

Tesko je reci, jos je on mlad, vidjet cemo oko 33. :kafa:
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PostPostao/la samosarajvo » 27 okt 2014, 11:58

Virtu4l WroteColon
Claus WroteColonSvaki od njih je imao svog antipoda, nešto slično kao i danas.


Ko je Nadalov?


He does not exist :)
--RAFAEL NADAL--
16 Grand Slams
74 Single titles
10 years in row with atleast one GS title
Channel Slam 2x, Clay Slam, Summer Slam
Single and double gold medal winner
Most titles won at a single GS, Masters and ATP 500 (10 RG, 10 MC,10 Barcelona)

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PostPostao/la formance » 07 mar 2015, 14:20

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Sretan 55. rođendan legendarnom Ivanu Lendlu.

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"I think for me the most talented of all times was Rios. But unfortunately he doesn't want to continue his tennis career, because when it's too easy for you, then it's boring. For me, tennis is not so easy" - Marat Safin

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PostPostao/la formance » 18 sep 2015, 17:27

"I neka to bude lekcija svima - Niko ne pobjeđuje Vitasa Gerulaitisa 17 puta za redom"

http://sport1.ba/jimmy-connors-odao-pocast-vitasu-gerulaitisu-na-21-godisnjicu-njegove-smrti/
"I think for me the most talented of all times was Rios. But unfortunately he doesn't want to continue his tennis career, because when it's too easy for you, then it's boring. For me, tennis is not so easy" - Marat Safin

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PostPostao/la formance » 23 sep 2015, 17:58

"I think for me the most talented of all times was Rios. But unfortunately he doesn't want to continue his tennis career, because when it's too easy for you, then it's boring. For me, tennis is not so easy" - Marat Safin

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PostPostao/la MaGiCa » 30 sep 2015, 19:16

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Opet Srbin pobediJo. :kafa:

:rol:
‘I was offered a free villa in Hollywood, but I said no thank you, I prefer to live in Italy.’

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PostPostao/la shminka » 30 sep 2015, 23:21

Dokopao se i ti ELE, hahah :D

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PostPostao/la MaGiCa » 01 okt 2015, 07:12

shminka WroteColonDokopao se i ti ELE, hahah :D


Ma jok. :nene:
Samo naletio. :kafa:
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PostPostao/la MaGiCa » 13 jan 2016, 19:10

Gdje je @formance :?:

Valjalo bi da nam kaze, ko je ovaj devetogodisnjak pored IceBorga:

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:?:


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PostPostao/la legenda reala » 14 jan 2016, 17:06

Nole :P

na slici su Borg i Agasi, a formance je u Banovićima, ima neku malu tamo pa ne more da ti odg. nema kad :mrgreen:
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