Stranica: 22/25.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 18:30
Postao/la Profesor
Pa u kvalama za EB je ta ista Slovenija bez Doncica gubila od Madjarske i jedva austrijance dobila. Toliko o tome.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 18:42
Postao/la Felixians4
Profesor je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 18:30
Pa u kvalama za EB je ta ista Slovenija bez Doncica gubila od Madjarske i jedva austrijance dobila. Toliko o tome.
Toliko o čemu? Tko tvrdi da su oni bez Dončića al-pari Francuskoj,Australiji,Španjolskoj,Litvi itd. individualno? Isto tako Prepelič,Tobey igraju izuzetno dobro u top ligi, u top natjecanju, Blažič na nešto manjoj razini(on je u kvalama bio recimo leader definitivno i za Olimpiju je odigrao vrhunsku godinu). Ma nema smisla rasprava kad se ide iz krajnosti u krajnost.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 19:07
Postao/la Profesor
Felixians4 je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 18:42
Profesor je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 18:30
Pa u kvalama za EB je ta ista Slovenija bez Doncica gubila od Madjarske i jedva austrijance dobila. Toliko o tome.
Toliko o čemu? Tko tvrdi da su oni bez Dončića al-pari Francuskoj,Australiji,Španjolskoj,Litvi itd. individualno? Isto tako Prepelič,Tobey igraju izuzetno dobro u top ligi, u top natjecanju, Blažič na nešto manjoj razini(on je u kvalama bio recimo leader definitivno i za Olimpiju je odigrao vrhunsku godinu). Ma nema smisla rasprava kad se ide iz krajnosti u krajnost.
Pa toliko o tome da se covjek pljuje. Da igra za BiH na EB, momentalno bi bili u uzem krugu favorita za medalju.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 19:18
Postao/la Felixians4
Pa ajde ni najveći hateri NE MOGU pljuvati Dončića. Prevelik. S 22 godine nedostižan za sve osim desetak euro košarkaša u povijesti!
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 19:27
Postao/la Drape
Luka okrivio duboku državu u Fibi za ispadanje.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 20:49
Postao/la lumani
Profesor je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 18:30
Pa u kvalama za EB je ta ista Slovenija bez Doncica gubila od Madjarske i jedva austrijance dobila. Toliko o tome.
Mnogo igraca nije igralo,mnogo+drugi Trener je bio
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 20:52
Postao/la lumani
Drape je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 19:27
Luka okrivio duboku državu u Fibi za ispadanje.
On je takav,ne voli da gubi i ok je.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 21:24
Postao/la Raonffa
Shategabri je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 15:54
Raonffa je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 15:34
Dončić je doktor, pa čovjek je skoro ušao u finale OI sa smiješnom ekipom (u odnosu na konkurenciju). Da je danas imao Dragona mislim da bi prošli Francuze.
Inače, dobili smo najbolje moguće finale, jer objektivno su Francuzi daleko najgori matchup za ovaj sastav Amerike, što je pokazala i utakmica u grupi, iako sumnjam da će SAD sebi dopustiti da izgube finale ali vidjet ćemo.
Kako su onda Slovenci bili favoriti ako je ekipa smiješna?
Pravo da ti kažem, ni meni nije jasno, ako ćeš iskreno sa guštom sam iskoristio njihov poklon u vidu kvote na Francuze
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 05 avg 2021, 22:53
Postao/la Felixians4
"Spain tried to run with them. We saw the numbers, they were playing with 95 possessions per game, so our goal was to slow them down as much as possible," France head coach Vincent Collet said after the game.
As crazy as it sounds, with the 90-89 final score, France's defense was the reason they won the game.
Defense on Doncic
If somebody tells you to close your eyes and imagine a typical Luka Doncic possession, your mind's brush would probably paint a picture of a number 77 jersey with the ball in his left hand, sizing up his defender, before becoming a blur and going left for his trademark stepback jumper.
Even the drives to the middle of the lane are usually leaning to the left. Eurostep? Prefers going left. Post up? Prefers the left block. So what did France do to try and minimize his efficiency? They sent him right, right?
Wrong. They sent him left.
Here's the logic behind it: "I observed it the previous games here, but also in the (FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament) in Lithuania. When he was driving to his right, he was driving very deep, and after that, he could find the kick to the shooters. Our second goal was to limit the other players, like Cancar, and we did quite a good job on their shooters. They still made some big shots in the second half," Collet laughed out here, more as a sign of enormous respect for Slovenia's shot-making than anything else.
Strong individual defense by Batum, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Ntilikina, plus a calculated risk to let Doncic get to his spots. It's hard to say it was the correct approach because we were one layup away from writing about how it lost the game for France and allowed Doncic 19 assists. But it was something different. And since winners are the ones who rewrite history books, this one will be marked as the Collet win.
The TLC factor
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot was talking a couple of days ago about how happy he was in his role off the bench for his team. It was a long term project in a way, head coach Collet and TLC talked about it over the course of his NBA season, and by the time Tokyo 2020 arrived, the sharp-shooter was locked and loaded.
France did not play their big-ball lineup with Vincent Poirier at the power forward position alongside another big at center. They adopted the small-ball style of Slovenia, and even tried to post up Guerschon Yabusele against Luka Doncic to punish the mismatches that were happening.
Slovenia suffered their first defeat with Luka Doncic in the lineup. They won the previous 17 games, clinched a spot at the Olympics and claimed the FIBA EuroBasket 2017 trophy over the course of those four years. But with this defeat, another run has ended.
Sekulic's team scored 89 points, making this their first game with less than 90 points in a major event since the Round of 16 in 2017. They had 79 points in a 24-point win over Ukraine back then, and started a run that saw them put up:
- 103 against Latvia
- 92 against Spain
- 93 against Serbia
- 118 against Angola
- 112 against Poland
- 98 against Venezuela
- 96 against Lithuania
- 118 against Argentina
- 116 against Japan
- 95 against Spain
- 94 against Germany
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 07:57
Postao/la RollMan
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:02
Postao/la Shategabri
feniksptica je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 16:01
Shategabri je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 15:54
Raonffa je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 15:34
Dončić je doktor, pa čovjek je skoro ušao u finale OI sa smiješnom ekipom (u odnosu na konkurenciju). Da je danas imao Dragona mislim da bi prošli Francuze.
Inače, dobili smo najbolje moguće finale, jer objektivno su Francuzi daleko najgori matchup za ovaj sastav Amerike, što je pokazala i utakmica u grupi, iako sumnjam da će SAD sebi dopustiti da izgube finale ali vidjet ćemo.
Kako su onda Slovenci bili favoriti ako je ekipa smiješna?
Kladionice su rekle da su favoriti..i svi se toga hvataju.
A oni to onako, po svom ćejfu postavljaju?
Pa imaju ljudi koji oko toga driblaju, ne postavlja se to bezveze.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:04
Postao/la Shategabri
Felixians4 je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 18:42
Profesor je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 18:30
Pa u kvalama za EB je ta ista Slovenija bez Doncica gubila od Madjarske i jedva austrijance dobila. Toliko o tome.
Toliko o čemu? Tko tvrdi da su oni bez Dončića al-pari Francuskoj,Australiji,Španjolskoj,Litvi itd. individualno? Isto tako Prepelič,Tobey igraju izuzetno dobro u top ligi, u top natjecanju, Blažič na nešto manjoj razini(on je u kvalama bio recimo leader definitivno i za Olimpiju je odigrao vrhunsku godinu). Ma nema smisla rasprava kad se ide iz krajnosti u krajnost.
I jučer izuzetno odigrali, Tobey sasvim dobar kad se skonta da je imao matchup Goberta.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:08
Postao/la jestamaji
nisam imao pojma da su amerikanke poslale skoro sve što imaju, na prvi pogled fali samo delle donne
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:19
Postao/la EpateguiHuleteti
Pristojan poraz, 79:59.
Odbrana, zalaganje, borbenost na nivou, napad los, kao i ceo turnir. Sada daj boze Japan u mecu za bronzu
Napred Francuskinje, neka bude duplo srebro ovog leta!
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:22
Postao/la Shategabri
EpateguiHuleteti je napisao/la: ↑06 avg 2021, 08:19
Pristojan poraz, 79:59.
Odbrana, zalaganje, borbenost na nivou, napad los, kao i ceo turnir. Sada daj boze Japan u mecu za bronzu
Napred Francuskinje, neka bude duplo srebro ovog leta!
Pa i Francuskinje su još svježe od poraza na EP, ne vidim problem
Nije im loša ni drvena medalja
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:24
Postao/la EpateguiHuleteti
Shategabri je napisao/la: ↑06 avg 2021, 08:22
EpateguiHuleteti je napisao/la: ↑06 avg 2021, 08:19
Pristojan poraz, 79:59.
Odbrana, zalaganje, borbenost na nivou, napad los, kao i ceo turnir. Sada daj boze Japan u mecu za bronzu
Napred Francuskinje, neka bude duplo srebro ovog leta!
Pa i Francuskinje su još svježe od poraza na EP, ne vidim problem
Nije im loša ni drvena medalja
Tezi je protivnik Francuska. Nije svaki dan finale evropskog. A i red bi bio da zaokruzimo dalekoistocni iks-oks. Posle Koreje (za cetvrtfinale), Kine (za polufinale), red je da odlucujuci mec igramo i sa Japanom (za bronzu).
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:27
Postao/la Shategabri
EpateguiHuleteti je napisao/la: ↑06 avg 2021, 08:24
Shategabri je napisao/la: ↑06 avg 2021, 08:22
EpateguiHuleteti je napisao/la: ↑06 avg 2021, 08:19
Pristojan poraz, 79:59.
Odbrana, zalaganje, borbenost na nivou, napad los, kao i ceo turnir. Sada daj boze Japan u mecu za bronzu
Napred Francuskinje, neka bude duplo srebro ovog leta!
Pa i Francuskinje su još svježe od poraza na EP, ne vidim problem
Nije im loša ni drvena medalja
Tezi je protivnik Francuska. Nije svaki dan finale evropskog. A i red bi bio da zaokruzimo dalekoistocni iks-oks. Posle Koreje (za cetvrtfinale), Kine (za polufinale), red je da odlucujuci mec igramo i sa Japanom (za bronzu).
Znam, finale je nešto drugo, tu je i veći motiv, plus još ovdje umor, Francuzice svakako veća širina.
Dobiće njih Francuskinje, one samo u finalu imaju blokadu, mada sa Amerikankama i bez toga teško da mogu od časnog poraza.
Slažem se, Srpkinje su zaslužile uzeti bar bronzu na OI, odlična ekipa
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 08:41
Postao/la EpateguiHuleteti
Pa medalja na kraju (nije jos ovojena!) bi bila premija s obzirom na sta su licile. Vasic je prelezala (sa muzem-veslacem) koronu, dosla je skoro bez treninga na Igre, fizicki nespremna, ni blizu forme sa evropskog. Dabovic je veci deo turnira "prespavala", ali su obe bile najbolje kada je najvise trebalo - u cetvrtfinalu. Drugo krilo nije ni postojalo, mala Amerikanka je igrala toplo-hladno. Jedino sto je valjalo je centarska linija Bruks - Krajisnik. Krajisnik je igrala fantasticnu odbranu na celom turniru, dok je Bruks odradjivala dosta posla u napadu. Jedino sto zameram Marini je slab ucinak klupe. Danas protiv Amerikanki se videlo da je tu morala doci veca podrska, ali pre svega i poverenje od strane trenera. Pre polufinala samo je Stankovic koriscena kvalitetno u rotaciji.
Tri pobede, sve tri u ludim zavrsnicama, protiv Kanade, Koreje i Kine i dva glatka poraza, od Spanjolki (15 razlike) i Amerikanki (20 razlike). Pored neprikosnovene americke selekcije, zatim Francuske, Spanije, Belgije, Australije, Kine, Kanade, Japana, ako se posle svega osvoji bronza - bice premija! Igra je bila za jedan level ispod u odnosu na izdanja na evropskom prvenstvu
Japan bi bio pozeljan odmor iz dva razloga: mec za bronzu je vec sutra, Srpkinje imaju vise odmora (danas su protiv Amerike glavne poluge odmarane), takodje Marina ih odlicno poznaje (radi tamo).
Francuska u muskom finalu ima sansi protiv SAD, u zenskom nema nikakvih.
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 09:36
Postao/la lumani
Felixians4 je napisao/la: ↑05 avg 2021, 22:53
"Spain tried to run with them. We saw the numbers, they were playing with 95 possessions per game, so our goal was to slow them down as much as possible," France head coach Vincent Collet said after the game.
As crazy as it sounds, with the 90-89 final score, France's defense was the reason they won the game.
Defense on Doncic
If somebody tells you to close your eyes and imagine a typical Luka Doncic possession, your mind's brush would probably paint a picture of a number 77 jersey with the ball in his left hand, sizing up his defender, before becoming a blur and going left for his trademark stepback jumper.
Even the drives to the middle of the lane are usually leaning to the left. Eurostep? Prefers going left. Post up? Prefers the left block. So what did France do to try and minimize his efficiency? They sent him right, right?
Wrong. They sent him left.
Here's the logic behind it: "I observed it the previous games here, but also in the (FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament) in Lithuania. When he was driving to his right, he was driving very deep, and after that, he could find the kick to the shooters. Our second goal was to limit the other players, like Cancar, and we did quite a good job on their shooters. They still made some big shots in the second half," Collet laughed out here, more as a sign of enormous respect for Slovenia's shot-making than anything else.
Strong individual defense by Batum, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Ntilikina, plus a calculated risk to let Doncic get to his spots. It's hard to say it was the correct approach because we were one layup away from writing about how it lost the game for France and allowed Doncic 19 assists. But it was something different. And since winners are the ones who rewrite history books, this one will be marked as the Collet win.
The TLC factor
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot was talking a couple of days ago about how happy he was in his role off the bench for his team. It was a long term project in a way, head coach Collet and TLC talked about it over the course of his NBA season, and by the time Tokyo 2020 arrived, the sharp-shooter was locked and loaded.
France did not play their big-ball lineup with Vincent Poirier at the power forward position alongside another big at center. They adopted the small-ball style of Slovenia, and even tried to post up Guerschon Yabusele against Luka Doncic to punish the mismatches that were happening.
Slovenia suffered their first defeat with Luka Doncic in the lineup. They won the previous 17 games, clinched a spot at the Olympics and claimed the FIBA EuroBasket 2017 trophy over the course of those four years. But with this defeat, another run has ended.
Sekulic's team scored 89 points, making this their first game with less than 90 points in a major event since the Round of 16 in 2017. They had 79 points in a 24-point win over Ukraine back then, and started a run that saw them put up:
- 103 against Latvia
- 92 against Spain
- 93 against Serbia
- 118 against Angola
- 112 against Poland
- 98 against Venezuela
- 96 against Lithuania
- 118 against Argentina
- 116 against Japan
- 95 against Spain
- 94 against Germany
Sta pisu o 2017 Kada je Kokoskov bio trener a posle njega neko vrijeme Trifunovic...
Re: Tokyo 2020 - Košarka
Postano: 06 avg 2021, 10:20
Postao/la salex90
ocekivan poraz srpskih kosarkasica
Amerikanke jace, bolje, Srpkinje svesne toga nisu uopste zelele mrcvariti se, utakmica za bronzu je realna prica i tu ce se dati sve od sebe da se pobedi i uzme medalja
