Uguraj kako i Albu,Piquea i Roberta ako moze kao 12tog najboljeg i polivalentnog.
Pique hladno upada,
od Albe i Roberta ima boljih.
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 01 feb 2021, 18:50
Postao/la coelho41
Sve na mjestu osim VVD-a
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 12 feb 2021, 10:52
Postao/la coelho41
Evo prikaz top 10 evropskih liga mjerenih po kvalitetu definisanom po elosistemu.
Ispod grafika imate i kompletan sistem bodovanja objašnjen.
Ovo će vjerovatno iznenaditi raju koja je navikla kvalitet lige isključivo gledati kroz prizmu Evropskih takmčienja ili još gore, samo kroz prizmu UCL
The Elo system with a few modifications (home field advantage, goal difference, inter-league adjustments) is used to determine the club's Elo values. The match odds are based on a result histogram for the two club's Elo difference. Elo
Elo equation
At the core of these ratings runs the Elo system, a widely used method to measure relative strength levels.
The advantage of Elo lies in its simplicity, there is only one value per club for each point in time, the higher the better.
The Elo difference between two clubs is directly linked to the win probability of both teams in a direct confrontation (draws counting as half win/ half loss):
E = 1 / (10(-dr/400) + 1),
where dr is the Elo point difference of the 2 clubs.
This is the Elo equation.
Points Exchange
When clubs play each other and win or lose, they exchange points. The number of points exchanged must be determined so that a certain win rate between two clubs makes the Elo difference between both clubs converge towards the Elo difference that corresponds to this win rate.
The following equation satisfies this constraint:
ΔElo_1X2 = (R - E) * k,
where R is the result (1 for win, 0.5 for draw, 0 for loss).
There is one degree of freedom in this equation which in the weight index k that has to be chosen. A higher k will have the ratings converge quicker to their true values but will suffer from more variation. A smaller k provides more stable values that take longer to converge.
ClubElo uses a weight index of k = 20.
Tilt
ClubElo introduces a second club metric next to Elo which is named Tilt.
Tilt is designed to be a measure of offensiveness (not quality, that is what Elo is for).
More specifically, it measures if there are more or less total goals than expected in games involving the club. The expectation refers to the long term average of games at the same Elo difference.
Every game has an expected number of total goals. After a game, the tilt of a team (which is initialised at 1) is updated in the following way:
New_tilt = 0.98 * Old_tilt + 0.02 *Game_total_goals/Opposition_tilt/Exp_Game_total_goals
This adds another dimension to predicting exact results and can be shown to add accuracy. It is sometimes expressed as percentage.
Weighting goal difference
A win by a high margin is considered to be more significant than a win by a narrow margin. This is taken into account when the number of exchanged points is calculated. The points exchanged increase proportionally to the square root of the margin. At the same time, the expected number of points exchanged for a win or a loss should be according to the above Elo equation.
The points exchanged for a win or a loss are determined through the following equation:
ΔElo_margin = ΔElo_1goal * sqrt(margin), where
ΔElo_1goal = ΔElo_1X2 / sum(sqrt(margin)*p_margin/p_1X2)
p_margin is the likelyhood for a specific margin, p_1X2 is the likelyhood to win (or lose) by any margin. The sum is over all margins for a win or all margins for a loss.
Home Field Advantage
Clubs have from experience a higher probability to win games when they play at home. This would mean that on average home teams would win more Elo points than away teams.
This would violate the constraint that the expected number of Elo points exchanged per match should always be 0. That is why ClubElo increases the Elo difference for a match by a certain number of Elo points, called HFA (for Home Field Advantage).
As HFA can initially only be guessed, an algorithm is in place to make sure that this value converges to where it should be:
Every day and for every country seperately, the system compares if home teams won more or less points than away teams. If home teams won more, HFA is increased, if away teams won more points, HFA is decreased according the the following equation:
HFA += sum(ΔElo)*0.075
Two-leg matches
Two-leg matches are considered one long match. The aggregated result over two legs determines the total number of exchanged points (sum of points exchanged after leg 1 and 2). Compared to a single game, the exchanged points are therefore multiplied by the square root of 2. A victory by away goals rule counts as a victory by a margin of half a goal.
The points exchanged after the first leg are determined by the difference in outcome likelyhoods before leg one and after leg 1.
Slazem se, Chiellini fali. Jedini od svih igrača današnjice koji traje na najvišem nivou, od sezone 2005. Tu je Ramo također, otprilike isti period, po odlasku iz Seville.
Slazem se, Chiellini fali. Jedini od svih igrača današnjice koji traje na najvišem nivou, od sezone 2005. Tu je Ramo također, otprilike isti period, po odlasku iz Seville.
Upravo. Chiellini je karika koja nedostaje. VVD odigro 2 sezone u dekadi i odma u tim dekade
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 12 feb 2021, 13:43
Postao/la TonySosa
Pa više je zasluzio Nacho nego Van Dijk.
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 12 feb 2021, 13:59
Postao/la coelho41
Dante i Van Buyten komotno mogu prije VVD
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 13 feb 2021, 20:06
Postao/la SiamoNoi
U Engleskoj City vodi trenutno,a pričalo se početkom sezone da je Guardiola propao i projekt se raspada,United pak stoji iznad očekivanja i nitko ih nije vidio sa Solskjaerom u samom vrhu,a Liverpool je u kanalu iako se pričalo o nekakvim dinastijama.Chelsea potrošio čudesa,a Leicester im drži preostalo mjesto u top 4.U međuvremenu ovi otpustili i Lamparda kojeg se hajpalo kao nikad.
U Italiji Milan iznad očekivanja,a Jomaši u kanalu i gori im top 4 finiš što nitko tamo nije mogao zamislit prije sezone.
U Španjolskoj pak Atletico uvjerljivo za sada iako je bila priča i gora nego za Guardiolu,Simeone navodno propao nemoguće i ne moze vodit više nikog ozbiljnog.Sa druge strane mocna Barcelona se udara u guzicu što nema nijednog "manjeg",a ozbiljnijeg kluba u Španjolskoj osim Atletica i Seville pa će ipak uć u LP na kraju i spasit se sveopće katastrofe.
U Francuskoj iznenađujuće čak dva kluba drze korak za PSG-om i u ovoj poodmakloj fazi sezone.
Jedino u Njemačkoj uvijek ista priča.Bayern na vrhu bez konkurencije.
U Engleskoj City vodi trenutno,a pričalo se početkom sezone da je Guardiola propao i projekt se raspada,United pak stoji iznad očekivanja i nitko ih nije vidio sa Solskjaerom u samom vrhu,a Liverpool je u kanalu iako se pričalo o nekakvim dinastijama.Chelsea potrošio čudesa,a Leicester im drži preostalo mjesto u top 4.U međuvremenu ovi otpustili i Lamparda kojeg se hajpalo kao nikad.
U Italiji Milan iznad očekivanja,a Jomaši u kanalu i gori im top 4 finiš što nitko tamo nije mogao zamislit prije sezone.
U Španjolskoj pak Atletico uvjerljivo za sada iako je bila priča i gora nego za Guardiolu,Simeone navodno propao nemoguće i ne moze vodit više nikog ozbiljnog.Sa druge strane mocna Barcelona se udara u guzicu što nema nijednog "manjeg",a ozbiljnijeg kluba u Španjolskoj osim Atletica i Seville pa će ipak uć u LP na kraju i spasit se sveopće katastrofe.
U Francuskoj iznenađujuće čak dva kluba drze korak za PSG-om i u ovoj poodmakloj fazi sezone.
Jedino u Njemačkoj uvijek ista priča.Bayern na vrhu bez konkurencije.
Kako dubok osvrt. Posebno za Njemačku.
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 15 feb 2021, 14:43
Postao/la Donnie Darko
Kao da je trebalo još potvrda da je Seria A **** od lige.
Do ove sezone su bili dosadna verzija bundeslige, sad su dosadna verzije bundeslige bez bayerna.
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 15 feb 2021, 14:46
Postao/la Pogba
Španija s druge strane spala na neviđene nivoe nebitnosti. Ne znam nikoga da gleda špansku ligu.
Re: Lige petice
Postano: 16 feb 2021, 17:51
Postao/la Puma
Najnegledljivija liga u Europi sigurno.
To ce potvrditi i ljudi koji pomno prate spanski fudbal. Dosla je do tog nivoa da cu prije pogledati utakmicu nase lige nego npr. Eibar-Betis.
U Engleskoj City vodi trenutno,a pričalo se početkom sezone da je Guardiola propao i projekt se raspada,United pak stoji iznad očekivanja i nitko ih nije vidio sa Solskjaerom u samom vrhu,a Liverpool je u kanalu iako se pričalo o nekakvim dinastijama.Chelsea potrošio čudesa,a Leicester im drži preostalo mjesto u top 4.U međuvremenu ovi otpustili i Lamparda kojeg se hajpalo kao nikad.
U Italiji Milan iznad očekivanja,a Jomaši u kanalu i gori im top 4 finiš što nitko tamo nije mogao zamislit prije sezone.
U Španjolskoj pak Atletico uvjerljivo za sada iako je bila priča i gora nego za Guardiolu,Simeone navodno propao nemoguće i ne moze vodit više nikog ozbiljnog.Sa druge strane mocna Barcelona se udara u guzicu što nema nijednog "manjeg",a ozbiljnijeg kluba u Španjolskoj osim Atletica i Seville pa će ipak uć u LP na kraju i spasit se sveopće katastrofe.
U Francuskoj iznenađujuće čak dva kluba drze korak za PSG-om i u ovoj poodmakloj fazi sezone.
Jedino u Njemačkoj uvijek ista priča.Bayern na vrhu bez konkurencije.
Kako dubok osvrt. Posebno za Njemačku.
Koja je točno poanta tvog posta?
Zaboli mene za status Serie A.Samo sam sumirao kako trenutno stoje stvari u ligama petice,a kakvo je bilo viđenje prije početka sezone.I ne vidim kakve veze neka grupa LP ima sa tim.