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[Juvelandia]

Conte dobio 10 mjeseci kazne ostali oslobodjeni.

Smijesna mi je jedna stvar, u kojoj normalnoj drzavi novinari mogu saznat tacnu, a vidimo da jesu, presudu nekoliko dana prije.Samo se dokazuje kakvo im je pravosudje i gdje covjek treba da trazi pravdu sto smo ranije vidjeli u slucaju Farsopolia.Pa zar u Italiji Moggi ili bilo ko treba da trazi pravdu.Sad mi je sve jasno iako je ova kazna sto vise super jer sta su htjeli da urade ovo je dobro.Sad mi je jasno kako je inter izbjegao Serie B ili kako i zasto je Milan preko noci vracen u Serie A.Lakrdija od drzave.


p.s. dobra stvar je sto ima jos nekoliko sudova i da ce ta presuda skoro sigurno bit zalbama smanjena na oko 3-4 mjeseca.Jer u Italiji se sve zna unaprijed kako rekoh

[SoloJuve26]

evo izasla presuda..

Conte van 10 mjeseci.

[Oxygen]

14:00 h

Presuda vjerovatno u narednih sat vremena.

10 mjeseci Conteu, Pepe i Bonny oslobođeni, barem su takve najave.

Conteovi advokati će imati 20 dana za žalbu.

Nadam se samo da Contea neće razočarati ova nepravda pa da ponudi ostavku, valjda će izaći jači iz svega ovoga.

EDIT: znači tačno je, kakva nepravda.

[Vidal]

Kao što sam i rekao. Mediji u Italiji znaju i prije nego što se to desi. I očekivao sam deset mjeseci.

Drago mi je zbog Lea i Pepea ali zbog Contea sam razočaran. Pravosudni sistem nula. FIGC je pravo kino.

A ne želim ni napisati šta sve želim Pallaziu i Carobbiu.

[Juvelandia]

Kao što sam i rekao. Mediji u Italiji znaju i prije nego što se to desi. I očekivao sam deset mjeseci.

Ne samo da mediji znaju presudu unaprijed, nego na istu i uticu, sto je vec jedan lik potvrdio, kazavsi da smo Juve morali izbacit u Serie B u velikoj mjeri zbog pritiska javnosti.A taj isti pritisak naravno kreirala je gazzetta i ostali mediji koji su u skoro 90% vlasnistvo jedne grupe ljudi.

[Oxygen]

I Alessio dobio 8 mjeseci.

Nadam se da su spremne žalbe, ovo će se morati smanjiti.

[Juvelandia]

I Alessio dobio 8 mjeseci.

Nadam se da su spremne žalbe, ovo će se morati smanjiti.

Zato je konte i unajmio onu Giuliu jer je dobra na tim zalbenim sudovima i poznata po onom slucaju Knox.

[Oxygen]

Jedva čekam obrazloženje presude, da vidim šta su izmislili.

A kada se sjetim da su tražili 3,5g za Bonnya, a sada oslobođen.

Očekujem od Agnellia da pokaže da ima mu.da, dosta je ustupaka, povući sve reprezentativce.

[Vidal]

Čudno mi je ovo još nema Saurmana i ostalih trollova.

Žalbe će biti saslušane 20.augusta. Sigurno će se žaliti i Conte i Alessio.

Pogled na ovu situaciju oko Contea iz ugla nekog ko nije Juventino. Ima nekih koji i čitaju a ne samo koji pročitaju naslov.

Antonio Conte was talked into accepting a plea bargain by his lawyers, one that made it very clear this was not an admission of guilt when charged with failing to alert authorities to an attempted sporting fraud. When that was rejected by the Disciplinary Commission, the Coach decided to take a stand. He and Juventus are embarking on a battle that could change the sporting justice system in Italy forever – and it’s about time too.

Let me be clear, lest many stop reading this blog already and accuse me of white-washing history: I am not a Juventus supporter and I am most certainly not accusing the FIGC of creating some anti-Bianconeri conspiracy stretching back to Calciopoli. That would be daft. What I am saying is that Conte’s situation is a perfect example of why the current system does not work. It could easily be argued it is also a sign of a wider problem within the Italian civil justice system, but that is for another day.

The evidence against Conte is simple – former Siena player Filippo Carobbio claims the Coach said in a team meeting that results were ‘secured’ against Albinoleffe and Novara during the 2010-11 Serie B campaign. That is the entirety of the evidence. One man’s word. This man who had already been caught in contact with betting syndicates and confessed with the promise of bringing bigger names to the prosecutor in exchange for a large discount on his own punishment.

This issue of the ‘pentiti’ – penitents – has been a problem throughout the civil justice system for several decades, most notably in the 1980s and 90s when high-profile showbiz celebrities were dragged through the mud simply because they were named by Mafia underlings who wanted a discount on their sentences. After lengthy trials and even spells in prison, those innocent figures were cleared of all wrong-doing.

Juventus launched a scathing attack on the system, suggesting it protected confessed criminals more than those who profess their innocence. That is without a shadow of a doubt true. The Italian approach to justice seems to consider you guilty until you can prove your innocence, which is somewhat difficult when it’s one man’s word against another.

Except in Conte’s case, it is one man’s word against 24 others. The other players who were in that Siena team meeting all testified that the Coach never mentioned or alluded to ‘fixed’ results. Their testimony has been discarded by the prosecutor. As Conte is charged with failing to alert authorities to something untoward, then either he is innocent or the other 23 players are lying and should also be charged. The fact those ex-Siena men have not been charged just makes the whole thing look completely meaningless.

The prosecutor in his own way already showed he doubts Carobbio’s testimony. After all, Carobbio originally accused Conte of something that would amount to sporting fraud, but the prosecutor realised it wouldn’t stick and opted for the less serious ‘failing to alert authorities.’ This way, the prosecutor has cherry-picked which parts of Carobbio’s story to believe. Why? Either he is a credible witness or he isn’t, you can’t rest an entire case on half-believing a testimony. The more you look at what evidence Conte has against him, the more you can see why he is so angry.

I welcome Conte and Juventus standing up to the prosecutor and the Disciplinary Commission, demanding to see them make a case out of this pitiful evidence. Maybe it will have repercussions throughout this and future sporting trials that risk ruining careers without genuine proof. It might also discourage the dawn raids on people’s houses and training grounds when they have repeatedly offered to testify and been ignored.

Some of you will say, but Conte accepted a plea bargain, so isn’t that an admission of guilt? Not in Italy it isn’t. The justice system is insanely long – so that we are still seeing rulings made on Calciopoli six years later in numerous courts of appeal. It has become a tacit agreement that it suits all parties to just work out a plea bargain and get it over with, saving everyone time and money. This is especially true in the civil courts, where the vast majority of people handed prison sentences don’t ever sit behind bars. Again, this was thanks to a law passed because there was not enough space in the jails. As I said, it is a very strange system in Italy.

Many Juventini, including President Andrea Agnelli, will take this as an opportunity to get payback for Calciopoli. With hindsight and the benefit of wiretapped Inter phone calls that were somehow completely ignored at the time of the trial, Juve could’ve fought those charges a lot harder. It’s not so much that they were innocent – they weren’t – but rather that Luciano Moggi had a point when he said everyone was doing it. The wiretaps showed less of a Juve-led cabal and more of a general moaning towards the referees from all quarters.

In any case, including Calciopoli in this legal battle risks muddying the waters. Conte’s situation is entirely separate and must be treated as such, otherwise people will get swept up in the usual club rivalries and ignore the evidence. It suits everyone to change the current sporting justice system, because sooner or later any of the clubs could find themselves forced to prove innocence when guilt is assumed.

[Juvelandia]

Opusteno, ta kazna ce bit smanjena a cini mi se da Conte sve moze radit sem bit na klupi tokom utakmice.A sto se tice trolova, ko dodje da trola ja mu jbem mater nako unaprijed da ne moram direktno im se javljat citirajuci ih.

[Oxygen]

[Vidal]

Službeno je: Giulia Bongiorno će biti advokat Contea kroz ovu žalbu.

Ja bih to odmah na civilni sud. Nek yedu ****.

[Juvelandia]

Ovakve kazne su bile moguce samo u komunistickim drzavama gdje lik kaze jednu recenicu i odes na Goli otok ili u Sibir a dokazi ti nisu potrebni.Potrebno je bilo samo da pokazes prstom i kazes eh Conte je znao, dakle sve sto je bilo potrebno je recenica odnosno rijeci.Banana drzava gdje im je glavni politicar pedofil.

[Juvelandia]

Galiani:"Dobro si to odradio Palazzi"
Palazzi:" Gdje bolan nadje onog Carrobia?"

[Vidal]

“Juventus Football Club, on the ruling issued by the Disciplinary Commission of FIGC, warmly welcomes the acquittal of its players Leonardo Bonucci and Simone Pepe and reiterates its full support for Antonio Conte and Angelo Alessio in the hope that the next degree of judgement can finally allow their innocence to emerge fully.”

That next step in the legal system is an appeal in front of the Federal Court of Justice on August 20, less than a week before the club begin their defence of the Serie A crown.

“Regarding the position technically, a pool of legal aid, composed of professionals appointed by the individuals concerned, in full harmony with the club, is already working to prepare the grounds for appeal, in the belief that the reasons for affirming the strangeness of the facts alleged are unchanged.

“Antonio Conte and Angelo Alessio will be assisted by attorneys Antonio De Rensis and Luigi Chiappero and the additional lawyer Giulia Bongiorno.”

Ovo se očekivalo i od Juventusa samog tako da je ovo skoro odmah izašlo na službenoj stranici kada je izrečena presuda. Vidjet ćemo kako će ovo ići dalje.

O utakmici ne mogu ni razmišljati. Kao i da se ne igra sutra.

[Monolog]

Čekaj, pa zar nije Bonucci trebao dobiti najdužu kaznu? Otkud sad da je on "čist", a da je samo Conte nastradao? Nekako mi je nelogično da je nevin onaj za koga se unaprijed znalo da je kriv. Nego, vjerujem da će ova žalba uroditi plodom i da neće biti ni "k" od kazne sa Contea. Dakle, ovo će biti parola "nek ljudi znaju da radimo" i to je to.

[Oxygen]

Mislim da će ovo još više motivisati igrače, pogotovo sutra, iako nismo fizički najspremniji, nadam se da će ovo biti dodatni impuls za sutra.

Klub mora više uraditi ove ove same izjave, lahko je to na papiru, dajte djela.

@Monolog

O tome ja govorim, farsa.

Već su ih i u ćelije strpali, kad ono.....

[Juvelandia]

“Juventus Football Club, on the ruling issued by the Disciplinary Commission of FIGC, warmly welcomes the acquittal of its players Leonardo Bonucci and Simone Pepe and reiterates its full support for Antonio Conte and Angelo Alessio in the hope that the next degree of judgement can finally allow their innocence to emerge fully.”

That next step in the legal system is an appeal in front of the Federal Court of Justice on August 20, less than a week before the club begin their defence of the Serie A crown.

“Regarding the position technically, a pool of legal aid, composed of professionals appointed by the individuals concerned, in full harmony with the club, is already working to prepare the grounds for appeal, in the belief that the reasons for affirming the strangeness of the facts alleged are unchanged.

“Antonio Conte and Angelo Alessio will be assisted by attorneys Antonio De Rensis and Luigi Chiappero and the additional lawyer Giulia Bongiorno.”

Ovo se očekivalo i od Juventusa samog tako da je ovo skoro odmah izašlo na službenoj stranici kada je izrečena presuda. Vidjet ćemo kako će ovo ići dalje.

O utakmici ne mogu ni razmišljati. Kao i da se ne igra sutra.

bice to dobro vidjeces.Samo smijesna mi je ova sad situacija koja otvara oci.23 lika kazu da nije bilo te situacije koju Carrobio opisuje.Dakle oni priznaju da su bili tamo, na tom sastanku prije meca.Dalje ako su oni bili tu kao i Conte onda i njih treba kaznit po 10 mjeseci?A to se nije desilo, sto implicira da je sav taj slucaj u velikoj mjeri usmjeren cisto prema Juventusu, jer u normalnom pravosudju koje zeli da iskorijeni namjestanja onda i ta 23 lika trebala bi biti kaznjena jer su kao i Conte znali ako su vec Carrobia uzeli kao vjerodostojnog.Lakrdija.
Na kraju Carrobio dobio 6 mjeseci kazne jer je namjestao a Conte 10 mjeseci kazne jer je znao a nije prijavio.ž
Ja bih tu dodao da je Carrobio podebljao i nule na racunu uvjeren sam.

[SoloJuve26]

Juventus are hopeful of signing City's Aleksander Kolarov for £6m.

Odkud sad ovaj??

[anton 1983]

Kaj je to tak jeftino?

E da se bar to sad ispoštuje! Al kaj kad ima tih nekih rupa s kojima on Juve more voditi!

PS: Neki se još uvijek pitaju zašto ja Juve oču spalit sa zemljom!