NBA sezona 2010\2011

[Wolverine]

i ja se pitam evo. rubio je bio ocajan.

[neno#4]

i ja se pitam evo. rubio je bio ocajan.

Ocigledno smo mi gledali nesto suprotno...Rubio bio ocajan, onda ja stvarno ne znam sta reci dalje...Calderon je bio ocajan, a Rubio i pored "djecijih bolesti" je vec prvi play Spanije, i covjek koji se nikada ne boji preuzeti odgovornost...Kada su stizali na 82 - 80 covjek je uzeo sut i pogodio, malo igraca bi se usudilo to da uradi...To sto vecina vidi samo poene i slicno njihov problem....Gleda se zatvaranje utakmice i ljudi koji preuzmu odgovornost, ti poeni su dupli....

Covjek donosi ritam, donosi odbranu, cita protivnika....

[dema]

Ma strasan play koji ne robuje statistici rado puno stvari koje se ne vide za svoje godine jako dobro nosi ekipu a statistika ce doc do izrazaja kad dode u NBA

[Taktičar]

U Denveru su izgleda nakon ove frke sa Carmelom zvanično odlučili da idu na rebuilding. Potencijalnim kupcima svoje najveće zvijezde su poručili da u razmjeni za njega prije svega traže mlade igrače i izbore na draftu. Priča se takođe da su u cilju ponovne izgradnje ekipe dali na znanje ostalim ekipama da su spremni ući u trgovanje za Smitha i Martina.

[SaltCityAttack]

U Denveru su izgleda nakon ove frke sa Carmelom zvanično odlučili da idu na rebuilding. Potencijalnim kupcima svoje najveće zvijezde su poručili da u razmjeni za njega prije svega traže mlade igrače i izbore na draftu. Priča se takođe da su u cilju ponovne izgradnje ekipe dali na znanje ostalim ekipama da su spremni ući u trgovanje za Smitha i Martina.

Onda su im Bullsi najbolji kupci .... damo im Gibsona koji je bio starter i imamo dva prva picka za slijedecu sezonu ... mislim da ce tesko naci gdje da neko moze dati bolje, ako vec traze mlade

[Wolverine]

ja bullse nigdje nisam procitao kao moguce kandidate za dovodjenje anthonya. sad su aktuelni rocketsi i netsi.

[Taktičar]

Najaktuelniji su Clippersi i Netsi. I jedni i drugi imaju šta ponuditi Denveru, a ima tu još jedna kvaka. Naime Carmelova hanuma je haman glumica ili tako nešto, pa joj zato najbolje paše odlazak u NY ili LA.

[dema]

Polako tek je pocelo to si procitao jer je on izjavio da ga zanimaju NY,Netsi i Huoston. Jos se spominju Clipersi zbog LA tj zena mu zeli bit glumica tad da zbog nje mijenja klub. A Denver kaze da ce uzet onu ekipu koja im najbolje ponudi po toj logici on moze u Cliperse jer oni imaju mladih dobrih igraca ili ako Bullsi budu htjeli ic sto jos nije slucaj za Carmelom onda bi nudili Denga Gibsona i pickove sto uopste ne bi bilo lose za Denver 2 startera bi dobili.
S jedne strane bi kad bi ga dobili bili favoriti na istoku uz Miami s druge strane je rizik jer je pitanje dali bi produzio i trazio bi jako puno ako ga dovedu klub mora dati puno para jer trebaju produzit i Noaha i Rosa.
Jos se spominje da ce oni pokusat utrpat njeg i npr Smitha ludog ili izranjavanog Martina,cak se spominje da bi i Billupsa mogli mijenjat tj totalni rebuilding.

[SaltCityAttack]

ja bullse nigdje nisam procitao kao moguce kandidate za dovodjenje anthonya. sad su aktuelni rocketsi i netsi.

Ma naravno da nisu oni za sada zainteresovani za moguci trade, jer im Deng ima velik ugovor i slabe su sanse da ce njega nekome moci tradovati, ali ja sam to samo naveo, zbog toga sto imaju Bullsi skoro pa najvise opcija za moguci trade.

[SaltCityAttack]

Polako tek je pocelo to si procitao jer je on izjavio da ga zanimaju NY,Netsi i Huoston. Jos se spominju Clipersi zbog LA tj zena mu zeli bit glumica tad da zbog nje mijenja klub. A Denver kaze da ce uzet onu ekipu koja im najbolje ponudi po toj logici on moze u Cliperse jer oni imaju mladih dobrih igraca ili ako Bullsi budu htjeli ic sto jos nije slucaj za Carmelom onda bi nudili Denga Gibsona i pickove sto uopste ne bi bilo lose za Denver 2 startera bi dobili.
S jedne strane bi kad bi ga dobili bili favoriti na istoku uz Miami s druge strane je rizik jer je pitanje dali bi produzio i trazio bi jako puno ako ga dovedu klub mora dati puno para jer trebaju produzit i Noaha i Rosa.
Jos se spominje da ce oni pokusat utrpat njeg i npr Smitha ludog ili izranjavanog Martina,cak se spominje da bi i Billupsa mogli mijenjat tj totalni rebuilding.

ma ako bude trade, to ce biti sign and trade, tako da ce Denver prvo potpisati ugovor sa Anthoniyem, zatim ga trade onom ko je zainteresovan za njega

[dema]

Da ali i kroz sign and trade moramo dati onoliko koliko tad bude on primao ako bude imao 16m moras mu dat Denga 11m Gibsona 1.7m i pickove. I da evo vam jedan text da vise rijesimo tu zabludu oko velikog ugovora Denga to je normalan ugovor koji su napuhali fanovi Bullsa.



According to Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo!’s Ball Don’t Lie, Luol Deng is the eight-best small forward in the NBA, behind LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Gerald Wallace, Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger and Paul Pierce.

Here’s Dwyer’s commentary: “After a year or two in the wilderness, Luol finally got his wits about him in 2009-10, averaging 17.6 points and 7.3 rebounds alongside his typically sound defense. Deng also chipped in about a steal and block per game, and this is important: Luol came in at under two turnovers a game for the sixth time in a six-year career. I understand that his midrange, rarely dribbling game doesn’t see him taking many chances, but to be able to field a solid-scoring forward for nearly 38 minutes a game and see him turn the ball over just 1.9 times per? Good stuff.”

That seems fair. Now let’s take a quick peek at the comparitive 2010-11 salaries of Dwyer’s top eight SFs (from ShamSports): LeBron ($14,500,000), Durant ($6,053,663 from his rookie contract but jumping to $13,603,750 in 2011-12), ‘Melo ($17,149,243), Wallace ($10,500,000), Iggy ($12,345,250), Granger ($10,973,202), Pierce ($13,876,321) and Deng ($11,345,000).

This biggest knock against Deng is his supposedly cap-killing contract. And yet based on Dwyer’s rankings, Deng’s pay is roughly commensurate with his standing among the league’s elite small forwards.

This — in addition to all the recent talk about potentially trying to flip Deng (and other assets) for ‘Melo — got me to wondering how Luol ranks statistically compared to the league’s other small forwards.

Deng versus the Average Small Forward:
According to Hoopdata, the average NBA small forward gives his team 9.2 PPG, 3.6 RPG (2.7 DR and 0.8 OR), 1.4 APG, 0.7 SPG and 0.4 BPG while shooting 44.9% from the field, 34.9% from downtown and 78.6% from the line (on 2.2 FTA).

Last season, Deng averaged 17.6 PPG, 7.3 RPG (5.4 DR and 1.9 OR), 2.0 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.9 and 0.9 BPG while shooting 46.6% from the field, 38.6% from beyond the arc and 76.4% from the line (on 4.7 FTA).

At a glance, it’s clear that Deng is solidly above average. But let’s delve further. The following comparitive rankings also come from Hoopdata. I have compared Deng to other “full time” small forwards — that is, SFs who played 40+ games and 30+ MPG — across several categories.

Basic:
Deng ranked 4th in RPG, 4th in Offensive RPG, 4th in Defensive RPG, 4th in BPG, 8th in FTA, 8th in FG%, 9th in PPG and 10th in 3P%.

Defense / Rebounding:
Deng ranked 4th in Offensive Rebounding Rate, 5th in Total Rebounding Rate, 5th in Charges Drawn, 6th in Defensive Rebounding Rate and 7th in Defensive Plays (Steals + Blocks + Charges Drawn).

Shooting / Scoring:
Despite ranking 8th in FG% and 10th in 3P%, Deng ranked only 13th in FT%, 14th in True Shooting Percentage and 16th in Effective Field Goal Percentage. He ranked 8th in Field Goals Assisted, but that means he didn’t really create his own shots. He was also 9th in Times Blocked.

Believe it or not, Deng ranked 8th in And1s (times scoring a basket while also drawing a shooting foul) and 8th in And1% (And1s / Field Goals Attempted). He ranked 9th in Free Throw Rate.

Shot Locations:
Deng ranked 9th in FG% at the rim (61.2), 4th inside 10 feet (47.3), 9th from 10-15 feet (39.4), 6th from 16-23 feet (40.0).

He ranked 10th in attempts at the rim (4.3), 10th inside 10 feet (1.3), 10th from 10-15 feet (0.9), 3rd from 16-23 feet (6.7) and 18th from three-point range. So as we already knew, Luol “specializes” in chucking from 16-23 feet…the least efficient shot in basketball.

Advanced:
Deng ranked 4th in Win Shares, 6th in NBA Efficiency Rating, 7th in Adjusted Win Shares, 8th in Player Efficiency Rating and 8th in Adjusted Player Efficiency Rating.

Random:
Deng ranked 4th in Double-Doubles (13), behind only Gerald Wallace (33), LeBron James (31) and Kevin Durant (25). He had two more Double-Doubles than Carmelo Anthony.

Final thoughts:
Note all the top 10 and even top five rankings. These seem to synch up pretty well with Dwyer’s assessment. The reality — and Bulls fans would do well to realize this — is that Luol Deng is one of the best small forwards in the league. Analysis and statistics bear this out. There’s no denying it.

Are there gaps in his game? Sure. Deng takes too many long-range, contested two-pointers and doesn’t do much to create shots for his teammates. He’s also had his share of injury problems: Other than the 2006-2007 season — during which he appeared in all 82 regular season games and 10 playoff games — Deng has missed 21, 4, 19, 33 and 12 games.

But when he’s healthy, Deng provides consistent and solid (if not spectacular) production. If you parse the numbers and really examine what Luol brings to the team, it becomes strikingly obvious that he’s not the wildly overpaid bust that many people think he is. His status among the top 10 small forwards is well-deserved.


ON JE 8 najbolje nisko krilo u ligi i od njih samo Granger i Wallace imaju manji ugovor. Durant ide na 13m znaci imace veci ugovor i on. Nije njeg toliko tesko trade kod njeg su samo bitne povrede nis drugo itekako vrijedi ovih para.

[Wolverine]

gdje je tu gore smith? nema teorije da je deng bolji od njega.

[dema]

Otkad je Smith nisko krilo

[Taktičar]

Adrian Wojnarowski, NBA-analitičar:

Anthony wants to leave Denver and get his three-year, $65 million contract extension now. This partnership is rounding third and rapidly reaching disrepair. Denver is willing to trade Anthony, J.R. Smith(notes) and Kenyon Martin(notes), and start over again, **** said.

The Nuggets made it clear to teams they want young players and draft picks for Anthony, league executives said. The New Jersey Nets and Los Angeles Clippers have emerged as the two most probable destinations for Anthony because they have assets that appeal to Denver. The geography works for Anthony because of his wife LaLa Vazquez’s entertainment career.

[Wolverine]

Otkad je Smith nisko krilo

on je nisko krilo koje igrom slucaja mora igrat na krilnom centru, nesto kao sa borisom diawom.

[LBJ MVP]

Otkad je Smith nisko krilo

on je nisko krilo koje igrom slucaja mora igrat na krilnom centru, nesto kao sa borisom diawom.

Ma ima Williams igra PF on je klasično nisko krilo

[dema]

Otkad je Smith nisko krilo

on je nisko krilo koje igrom slucaja mora igrat na krilnom centru, nesto kao sa borisom diawom.

sasvim je nebitnio gdje ga mi zamisljamo on igra visoko krilo i tamo se vodi sad uzmi kako su ocjenili visoka krila i dobit ces to za Smitha po meni je on pravi snazni krilni igrac kojeg odlikuje skocnost atleticizam i koji igra tu poziciju nije bitno koliko je visok. Ovi ostali pogledaj James, Carmelo,Granger, Durant ,Igudala pa zar ti njihova igra lici na igru Smitha zar Smith suta dalje od kosa ili trojku da puca potpuno se razlikuje od ovoh igraca.

[majestic24]

ja bullse nigdje nisam procitao kao moguce kandidate za dovodjenje anthonya. sad su aktuelni rocketsi i netsi.

Ma naravno da nisu oni za sada zainteresovani za moguci trade, jer im Deng ima velik ugovor i slabe su sanse da ce njega nekome moci tradovati, ali ja sam to samo naveo, zbog toga sto imaju Bullsi skoro pa najvise opcija za moguci trade.

Mnogi potcjenjuju denga. Bolje im je da njega zadrze

[dema]

Slazem se on je jako podcjenjen a uzrok tome su povrede svi se slazu da je dobar ali imao je nesrecu da propusti dosta utakmica on ima 25g jos on moze pod novim trenerom napredovat poosebno u odbrani.

[Wolverine]

Otkad je Smith nisko krilo

on je nisko krilo koje igrom slucaja mora igrat na krilnom centru, nesto kao sa borisom diawom.

Ma ima Williams igra PF on je klasično nisko krilo

ne igra. williams igra nisko krilo. a smith igra na krilnom centru.

Otkad je Smith nisko krilo

on je nisko krilo koje igrom slucaja mora igrat na krilnom centru, nesto kao sa borisom diawom.

sasvim je nebitnio gdje ga mi zamisljamo on igra visoko krilo i tamo se vodi sad uzmi kako su ocjenili visoka krila i dobit ces to za Smitha po meni je on pravi snazni krilni igrac kojeg odlikuje skocnost atleticizam i koji igra tu poziciju nije bitno koliko je visok. Ovi ostali pogledaj James, Carmelo,Granger, Durant ,Igudala pa zar ti njihova igra lici na igru Smitha zar Smith suta dalje od kosa ili trojku da puca potpuno se razlikuje od ovoh igraca.

pa drugaciji tipovi igraca. smith je vise obrambeni igrac za razliku od ovih. nesto poput marion. po meni je smith klascno nisko krilo koje mora igrat na krilnom centru. nesto slicno kao nene (krilni centar a igra centra).