La Liga

[Epidaurus]

Kako mislis Messi nije savrsenstvo bez mane?

[Petardaa]

Messi protiv CR-a protiv najjacih klubova iz liga petice

Mesi - Real Madrid; 41 U, 26 gol, 14 asis
Mesi - Atletico: 36 U, 31 gol, 7 asis
Mesi - Sevilla: 36 U, 37 gol, 18 asis
Mesi - Valencia: 33 U, 28 gol, 13 asis
Mesi - Liverpool: 4 U, 2 gol, 0 asis
Mesi - Arsenal: 6 U, 9 gol, 2 asis
Mesi - Totenham: 1 U, 2 gol, 0 asis
Mesi - Man Utd: 6 U, 4 gol, 0 asis
Mesi - City: 6 U, 6 gol, 3 asis
Mesi - Chelsea: 10 U, 3 gol, 3 asis
Mesi - Bayern: 5 U, 4 gol, 2 asis
Mesi - Dortmund: 1 U, 1 gol, 2 asis
Mesi - Inter: 4 U, 0 gol, 1 asis
Mesi - Juventus: 5 U, 2 gol, 1 asis
Mesi - Napoli: 1 U, 0 gol, 0 asis
Mesi - Roma: 4 U, 2 gol, 1 asis
Mesi - Lazio: 0 utakmica
Mesi - Milan: 8 U, 8 gol, 3 asis
Mesi - PSG: 7 U, 4 gol, 1 asis
Mesi - Lyon: 6 U, 5 gol, 3 asis

Messi: 220 utakmica,174 gola, 74 asistencije

CR - Barcelona: 33 U, 18 gol, 1 asis
CR - Atletico: 32 U, 25 gol, 8 asis
CR - Sevilla: 18 U, 27 gol, 1 asis
CR - Valencia: 19 U, 15 gol, 5 asis
CR - Liverpool: 12 U, 3 gol, 2 asis
CR - Arsenal: 15 U, 6 gol, 2 asis
CR - Totenham: 15 U, 10 gol, 4 asis
CR - Man Utd: 4 U, 3 gol, 0 asis
CR - City: 12 U, 5 gol, 3 asis
CR - Chelsea: 12 U, 1 gol, 2 asis
CR - Bayern: 8 U, 9 gol, 1 asis
CR - Dortmund: 9 U, 7 gol, 0 asis
CR - Inter: 4 U, 2 gol, 0 asis
CR - Juventus: 7 U, 10 gol, 2 asis
CR - Napoli: 5 U, 1 gol, 3 asis
CR - Roma: 8 U, 5 gol, 2 asis
CR - Lazio: 2 U, 1 gol, 1 asis
CR - Milan: 8 U, 4 gol, 1 asis
CR - PSG: 4 U, 3 gol, 1 asis
CR - Lyon: 10 U, 4 gol, 6 asis

Ronaldo; 237 utakmica, 159 golova, 45 asistencija

Ali, ali... Bitno je što je Ronaldo u nokaut fazi nabijao statistiku igrajući protiv Wolfsburga, Apoela, Galatesaray, CSKA, Schalkea, Porta itd itd...

Evo da i na ovoj stranici imamo lekciju ko je bolji protiv najjačih klubova.

[BoixosNois1899]

Ma sa ovom statistikom sva rasprava prestaje. Sve crno na bijelo.

[Petardaa]

Najjače je kad na Googlu ukucate "Messi igrač za male utakmice" prvo vam izbaci članak sa Indexa da su Ibrahimović i Ronaldo igrači za male utakmice hahaha

Vrh! Probajte pa ćete vidjeti

[Zonked]

Ovaj gore post sam im razvalio argumentima i oni ga opet postavljaju

Ali evo opet mozda ga nisu vidjeli

Ali dobro igra on sjajno protiv ovih jacih ekipa u grupi i osmini ali kad dođe 1/4 1/2 i finale onda imas ekipe poput

Ali, ali... Bitno je što je Ronaldo u nokaut fazi nabijao statistiku igrajući protiv Wolfsburga, Apoela, Galatesaray, CSKA, Schalkea, Porta itd itd...

Yebiga tad Ronaldo nabija statistiku od 1/4 ovom vjerovatno nije zanimljivo igrati u zavrsnici LP protiv "Wolfsburga, Apoela, Galatesaray, CSKA, Schalkea, Porta itd itd" i zato imamo ovu situaciju

[Petardaa]

Evo i tebi post možda ga nisi vidio maloprije

Prvo, Messi je dao 20 golova, a ne 16. A zašto samo četvrfinala, polufinala i finala ako nije tajna? Zašto ne i osminafinala? Jer je tamo Messi dao više pa bi razlika bila manja? Kakav genijalac moraš biti pa veličati Ronaldove golove (njih 8) u četvrtfinalu protiv Wolfsburga, Apoela, Galatesaray pored onih koje je Messi davao u osminifinala protiv daleko jačih protivnika Citya, Milana, Arsenala, Chelsea itd? Ili kakav genijalac moraš biti pa uspoređivati 2 pomenuta igrača iako je Ronaldo odigrao sigurno 15-ak utakmica više u nokaut fazi?

Još spominješ finala gdje je Ronaldo bio nevidljiv u čak 4 od 6 odigranih finala. To je taj igrač za velike utakmice Nevidljiv 2x protiv Atletica, protiv Barce 2009 i protiv Liverpoola 2018. Čak je i u onom finalu protiv Chelsea 2008 "gdje je nešto napravio" dao gol pa poslije promašio penal. Uz sve to je izgubio finale u direktnom duelu Messija i Ronalda 2009 godine.

[Geerroo]

Messi je bolji igrac, ali Ronaldo ima veci legacy ako se gleda samo liga prvaka, tu nema rasprave.

[Dzoni]

Ma isto kad za Guardiolinu Barcu katalonci kazu najjaca ekipa ikad kao da je to nesto i sto niko ne smije da sumnja.
A ovamo imas Zidanov Madrid koji je uzeo 3 lige prvaka u 3 godine.
I koliko jos ekipa istorijski gledano.

[Epidaurus]

Sta ces kad im je fudbal poceo 2003. dolaskom Ronaldinha.

[Rajaz]

Messi je bolji igrac, ali Ronaldo ima veci legacy ako se gleda samo liga prvaka, tu nema rasprave.

Imamo i ja i ti isti legacy kao Gerrard što se lige tiče, ali znamo da nas šiša u CL

Čuj ako se gleda samo LP

Ovaj gore post sam im razvalio argumentima i oni ga opet postavljaju

Ali evo opet mozda ga nisu vidjeli

Ovo je stara slika što znači da iznosiš laži

Argument može biti samo i isključivo činjenica, a to je ono što kolega @Petarda iznosi. Dakle tačne brojke i statistički podaci, crno na bijelo.

[Geerroo]

Messi je bolji igrac, ali Ronaldo ima veci legacy ako se gleda samo liga prvaka, tu nema rasprave.

Imamo i ja i ti isti legacy kao Gerrard što se lige tiče, ali znamo da nas šiša u CL

Čuj ako se gleda samo LP

Ovaj gore post sam im razvalio argumentima i oni ga opet postavljaju

Ali evo opet mozda ga nisu vidjeli

Ovo je stara slika što znači da iznosiš laži

Argument može biti samo i isključivo činjenica, a to je ono što kolega @Petarda iznosi. Dakle tačne brojke i statistički podaci, crno na bijelo.

Ma boli me qrac iskreno, ja dosao da provociram

Al vidim pricaju o LP sad

[messilla]

A ovamo imas Zidanov Madrid koji je uzeo 3 lige prvaka u 3 godine.

I gubio lige do Nove godine.

[Rajaz]

Ma isto kad za Guardiolinu Barcu katalonci kazu najjaca ekipa ikad kao da je to nesto i sto niko ne smije da sumnja.
A ovamo imas Zidanov Madrid koji je uzeo 3 lige prvaka u 3 godine.
I koliko jos ekipa istorijski gledano.

Polako Džoni, nije Islam da ne smiješ sumnjati

U šta ti tačno sumnjaš ?

Pitaj kolege madridiste šta misle o tome koji je bolji fudbaler, oni nisu ''pristrasni'' glede toga, zar ne

[Rajaz]

A ovamo imas Zidanov Madrid koji je uzeo 3 lige prvaka u 3 godine.

I gubio lige do Nove godine.

Lige su nebitne sve do momenta kada ne odu na RMB, tamo su već druge priče.

Hoće se kažu objesit ako i ovu ispuše

[BoixosNois1899]

A ovamo imas Zidanov Madrid koji je uzeo 3 lige prvaka u 3 godine.

I gubio lige do Nove godine.

Najjače mi je kako uvijek zapostave ligu u ovim raparavama. A gdje i ne bi kad ih imaju samo 2 u zadnjih 12 godina.

[Goretzka]

Najjace je od svega sto za sva ta dostignuca Messi sto ima mora obavezno zahvaliti Xaviju i Iniesti. Kako su ga njih dvojica napustila to je sasvim drugi igrac te je Barca druga ekipa.
Ronaldo ne ovisi o ekipi koliko ekipa o njemu. Real vise nije isti i to nije upitno. Ronaldo je veci sampion, radnik na terenu i vise voli fudbal. Messi je talenat al kad se sve zavrsi za 20 30 godina ce se pricat o tome kako je Ronaldo veci jer je osvojio vise LP, 3 zaredom u ovakvoj konkurenciji, odveo Portugal na vrh Evrope. Messi je u tim najvecim titulama ispod i uvijek ce mu se zamjerati. S onakvom Argentinom nije mogao do Cope usrane kamoli do SP. Naravno da se to sve moze okrenuti ali svaki realan navijac npr Atletika Bajerna Liverpula Celzija Junajteda itd ce reci da je Messi iznimno talentovan, doktor fudbala al da je Ronaldo veci i uspjesniji, bolji. I to je to.

[Rajaz]

Najjace je od svega sto za sva ta dostignuca Messi sto ima mora obavezno zahvaliti Xaviju i Iniesti. Kako su ga njih dvojica napustila to je sasvim drugi igrac te je Barca druga ekipa.
Ronaldo ne ovisi o ekipi koliko ekipa o njemu. Real vise nije isti i to nije upitno. Ronaldo je veci sampion, radnik na terenu i vise voli fudbal. Messi je talenat al kad se sve zavrsi za 20 30 godina ce se pricat o tome kako je Ronaldo veci jer je osvojio vise LP, 3 zaredom u ovakvoj konkurenciji, odveo Portugal na vrh Evrope. Messi je u tim najvecim titulama ispod i uvijek ce mu se zamjerati. S onakvom Argentinom nije mogao do Cope usrane kamoli do SP. Naravno da se to sve moze okrenuti ali svaki realan navijac npr Atletika Bajerna Liverpula Celzija Junajteda itd ce reci da je Messi iznimno talentovan, doktor fudbala al da je Ronaldo veci i uspjesniji, bolji. I to je to.

Sad sebi lajkaj sa @RafaNadal profila,

ups, ukinuli su lajkove

[Hare1902]

Uf kakav slalom Guedes-a

[Petardaa]

Najjace je od svega sto za sva ta dostignuca Messi sto ima mora obavezno zahvaliti Xaviju i Iniesti. Kako su ga njih dvojica napustila to je sasvim drugi igrac te je Barca druga ekipa.
Ronaldo ne ovisi o ekipi koliko ekipa o njemu. Real vise nije isti i to nije upitno. Ronaldo je veci sampion, radnik na terenu i vise voli fudbal. Messi je talenat al kad se sve zavrsi za 20 30 godina ce se pricat o tome kako je Ronaldo veci jer je osvojio vise LP, 3 zaredom u ovakvoj konkurenciji, odveo Portugal na vrh Evrope. Messi je u tim najvecim titulama ispod i uvijek ce mu se zamjerati. S onakvom Argentinom nije mogao do Cope usrane kamoli do SP. Naravno da se to sve moze okrenuti ali svaki realan navijac npr Atletika Bajerna Liverpula Celzija Junajteda itd ce reci da je Messi iznimno talentovan, doktor fudbala al da je Ronaldo veci i uspjesniji, bolji. I to je to.

Tačno. Jedan dobije zlatnu loptu u prvoj sezoni bez Xavija i Inieste, a ovaj drugi bez suigrača iz Reala ne može biti bolji strijelac ni od Quagliarelle, Imobilea u Italijanskoj ligi

Ismijavali ste Messija kada je na SPu 2014 davao golove samo u grupi i imao je samo jednu asistenciju u nokaut fazi, a za Ronalda govorite kako je on sa jednim golom u nokaut fazi protiv Velsa odveo Portugal do titule EURA

svaki realan navijac npr Atletika Bajerna Liverpula Celzija Junajteda itd ce reci da je Ronaldo bolji.

Dovoljno je samo pogledati ankete ko je bolji i u svakoj anketi svaki puta Messi pobjedi osim kada ta anketa bude na Marci. Čak ni pola igrača Uniteda sa kojima je Ronaldo igrao ne smatra Ronalda kao boljeg igrača od Messija

[Saurman]

Why Barcelona Are Vulnerable to a Financial Disaster over COVID-19

Despite last season's humiliating exit to Liverpool in the UEFA Champions League semi-final at Anfield, Barcelona President Josep Maria Bartomeu and his board could look back with a sense of satisfaction at the club's financial performance.

On paper, things looked rosy. Barca leapfrogged eternal rivals Real Madrid to become football's biggest earner at the top of the annual Deloitte Money League for 2018-2019, registering a 22 per cent increase in revenue from the previous year. Their income of €840.8 million was a chunky €83.5 million more than Real Madrid's.

The COVID-19 crisis has changed everything, however. It brings into stark relief several questionable aspects about Barca's finances, their future earning potential and their ability to remain a force on the pitch in elite football.

Football is a volatile business. Leeds United—who once beat Barca in a European Cup semi-final—have been out of the top tier of English football since 2004. It looks as if at least a decade will pass before Manchester United regain the English Premier League crown they last won in 2013.

The fall of the mighty AC Milan—who have won more European Cups than any other club except Real Madrid—is another cautionary tale. They were consistently the third-wealthiest club in football in the middle of the 2000s, but now they're outside football's top 20 earners.

Barcelona—along with their great rivals in European club football—are under threat. The football industry, which remained immune to the 2008 global financial crash, is on the front line this time of a potentially deep global recession. It's being hit by a far-from-perfect storm.

Barcelona have already lost €154 million as a result of the coronavirus crisis, according to a report in La Vanguardia. This is irrespective of whether there is a conclusion to the 2019-2020 La Liga season, which is set to restart in mid-June (according to La Liga President Javier Tebas, the league will lose €1 billion if it fails to finish its remaining games).

Since the Spanish government brought in a lockdown on March 14, Barca's museum, which earned the club €58 million last year, has been shut. The club's superstores in the city—including one they opened last year along La Rambla, the city's famous boulevard—have also been shut. With the prospect of little international tourism for the rest of the year in Spain, their footfall will remain low when they reopen as part of Spain's phased de-escalation.

All over Barca's business, several income streams have either slowed to a trickle or dried up for the rest of the year. There will be no lucrative summer tour in 2020. Their football schools still have a €15 million payment pending for the final third of their season. That income looks lost. The transfer values of their players have likely plummeted.

Worst of all, it's unlikely the 99,000-seater Camp Nou stadium will open its doors again to the public this year, according to several ****, including Tebas. And this is the optimistic scenario.

Who knows how the coronavirus will develop, whether a second wave will hit Europe or if football fans will be able to stomach watching football in empty stadiums on TV. It could demand some experimental thinking, says Simon Kuper, co-author of Soccernomics and an upcoming book on Barcelona.

"The risk with this pandemic is that football has never paused for this long before [even during World Wars]," says Kuper. "Maybe La Liga will start playing again, but if not, you could have people getting used to a life without watching football on TV. Without fans, it's never been tested. We do know that Serie A games [in the 1990s] famously looked terrible on TV because they were played in front of half-empty stadiums.

"One option that might become a reality—crazy as it sounds—is that football decamps to Australia and New Zealand if they can become COVID-free zones. You'd have, say, the Spanish league (and the Bundesliga, the English Premier League, cricket leagues) and its players moving there for six months with a two-week quarantine.

"Their matches could be played in front of full stadiums in Sydney and Melbourne, games which would be seen on TV stations all over the world—rather than having to watch Real Madrid playing at an empty Alfredo di Stefano training ground [as is planned for La Liga's restart to enable the club to accelerate remodelling of its Santiago Bernabeu Stadium]."

Barcelona's problems are compounded by reckless spending. They recently splurged several-hundred million euros on misfiring stars, including Ousmane Dembele and Philippe Coutinho, while the jury is still out on Antoine Griezmann, who has yet to jell with Lionel Messi in the team's attack.

Barca also incur the highest wage bill of any football club in the world. The squad earns a yearly average of €11 million per player. The percentage of the club's salary relative to their revenue is 69 per cent, which is dangerously high. Real Madrid's, for example, is 52 per cent.

"If you calculate this figure by taking into account player transfers, that percentage increases and goes above 80 per cent," says Victor Font, who has declared he will run for president of Barcelona at the next election. "Barca have the most expensive team on earth. Obviously the fact that you have Messi—who is the best in the world—is [a factor]. The problem is that the club is paying out too much on other players.

"Barcelona haven't managed their finances properly over the last few years since the last election [in 2015]. We've seen that trend deteriorate since the debacle of Neymar's transfer in 2017 with a couple of very expensive, unsuccessful signings. The club has spent €1 billion on transfers that have not returned the types of results the club's fans were expecting. Combine this with poor management of the core structure of the club, and it has put Barca in a difficult position.

"If you add in the pandemic, it has made the situation worse. It's likely the club will try to explain the difficulty in their finances through the COVID-19 pandemic, but the underlying problems were there already. What we need now is a proper plan to better manage the cost structure and create new revenue streams."

One way to help with a creaking cost structure is to cut the club's wage bill, but it's notoriously difficult to offload aging, out-of-favour footballers from top clubs who still have time to run on their sweetheart contracts. Look at the Gareth Bale saga at Real Madrid.

Or 32-year-old Ivan Rakitic's case at Barcelona. The Croat said in an interview with Mundo Deportivo in April that he felt like "a sack of potatoes" after Barcelona tried to sell him last summer against his wishes. He wants to see out his contract, which runs until 2021.

"Over time, we're going to see a shrinking of middle-tier high-earners," says Ben Lyttleton, author of Edge: What Business Can Learn From Football. "The really high-earners will retain their value, but the middle high-earners will have to take lower contracts at some point. There will be more opportunities for clubs to give younger players a chance to keep the wage bills down.

"We'll see clubs trying to move on players with good deals. We'll see more swap deals, more loans. There will be a change in how the market will operate. There will be opportunities for smart clubs to find value.

"With a player like Rakitic, there are only a certain number of clubs he would go to. Maybe Barca take the hit and say, 'Go to Napoli, and we'll pay half your wages,' going one level below where he is now. That might have to be the solution that works for everyone. It's a complicated situation."

Barcelona's debt is also troubling, especially given the club's ambitious plans for revamping the Camp Nou in what's called the Espai Barca project. There are conflicting reports about the actual debt figure. The club maintains it is €460 million, although elsewhere it has been reported as being as high as €888 million.

"The club's debt is very high," says Font. "It's much higher than what the club explains. It's something we don't understand: why the club is not being fully transparent, especially given the ownership structure of the club. It's not a publicly listed company, but at the same time, it's not owned by the board. There's no single owner. There should be more transparency.

"It's really hard to distil the actual debt [from the annual accounts]. It's also not taking into account any debt or investment that is being made for the Espai Barca project. What also increases the real debt amount are cash advances that some entities have made, for example, if a sponsor signs a sponsorship deal for, say, €10 million a year, and Barca has asked them to advance the cash.

"When you add everything up, our estimate is that the debt is probably around €700 million, which puts the finances of the club in a perilous position, especially because of its limited profitability. The club generates a lot of revenue, but it spends a lot of money, so it does not generate enough cash to pay the debt back. Obviously when you have this type of financial situation at the time you need to build a new team and pay for the Espai Barca project, that's a concern."

Font adds that Real Madrid have been a lot more "prudent" in managing their finances over the last few years, which puts them in a stronger position facing into a downturn: "They've built a war chest."

The footballer who has most regularly featured on the front cover of Catalonia's sports newspapers over the last few months has been Lautaro Martinez, the Inter Milan and Argentina striker. He's seen as a successor to Luis Suarez at the club, and he enjoys the blessing of Messi, his compatriot. Can Barcelona afford to buy him this summer, though, given the state of its finances?

The footballer who has most regularly featured on the front cover of Catalonia's sports newspapers over the last few months has been Lautaro Martinez, the Inter Milan and Argentina striker. He's seen as a successor to Luis Suarez at the club, and he enjoys the blessing of Messi, his compatriot. Can Barcelona afford to buy him this summer, though, given the state of its finances?