Juventus FC - ARHIVA POSTOVA

[JuveSissoko]

Melo:"spreman sam da odem", sto se mene tice iako mi je drag,moze slobodno, pokusat onda dovest Mascherana, ja bih tu jos Meneza i Pastorea, eh to bi bio mercato, Menez svejedno ide,Zidan daje savjete, navijaci ga hoce, pa eto Menez navrati

[anton 1983]

Melo:"spreman sam da odem", sto se mene tice iako mi je drag,moze slobodno, pokusat onda dovest Mascherana, ja bih tu jos Meneza i Pastorea, eh to bi bio mercato, Menez svejedno ide,Zidan daje savjete, navijaci ga hoce, pa eto Menez navrati

To ovaj Menez iz Rome?

Kolko znam Juve pastorea nemre platiti..Tak veli lik iz Palerma.

[JuveSissoko]

Melo:"spreman sam da odem", sto se mene tice iako mi je drag,moze slobodno, pokusat onda dovest Mascherana, ja bih tu jos Meneza i Pastorea, eh to bi bio mercato, Menez svejedno ide,Zidan daje savjete, navijaci ga hoce, pa eto Menez navrati

To ovaj Menez iz Rome?

Kolko znam Juve pastorea nemre platiti..Tak veli lik iz Palerma.

jest, moze platit Patorea al da da Marchisia ili Chellinia, sto naravno nece, a Zampraini je poznat kao lud lik i da cesto baca bombe cisto da bi privukao a nekad i otjerao konkurenciju za nekog igraca,pa tako je sad i Pastore 50 miliona, sto naravno nece niko dati sem Man Citya,posto oni nemaju pojma o fudbalu i finansijama, nesto slicno je bilo i za Kjaera pa on ode za nekih 15 miliona, Zamaprini ti je jednan "klaun",cim vidis da trenere mjenja kao carapae i oni su mu uvijek krivi, jasno ti je da lik je stvarno sasav

[anton 1983]

Za Chiellinija nevjerujem da bi išao u Romu, al zašto ne dat marchisa?

[JuveSissoko]

Zamparini predsjednik Palerma je trazio Chellinia i pare za Pastorea,naravno to nece dobit, a ja licno Marchisia i pare bi dao, al eto ko zna kako uprava konta

[anton 1983]

Zamparini predsjednik Palerma je trazio Chellinia i pare za Pastorea,naravno to nece dobit, a ja licno Marchisia i pare bi dao, al eto ko zna kako uprava konta

To bi i ja napravio na Juveovom mjestu ako želite zadržati Aquilanija. Samo neznam di bi Pastore u Juveu igro. Dal bi to značilo da odustajete od kupovine Matrija i Quagirelle? To bi Juve skupo koštalo jer bi morali platiti nekakve penale...A i neželim sad da me neko krivo shvati, dal je taj Pastore stvarno tak dobar ili je on samo ime na koje se drka? Pitam to jer puno ljudi kaže da više neigra tak dobro i da je to dosta izreklamiran igrač...

[JuveSissoko]

Zamparini predsjednik Palerma je trazio Chellinia i pare za Pastorea,naravno to nece dobit, a ja licno Marchisia i pare bi dao, al eto ko zna kako uprava konta

To bi i ja napravio na Juveovom mjestu ako želite zadržati Aquilanija. Samo neznam di bi Pastore u Juveu igro. Dal bi to značilo da odustajete od kupovine Matrija i Quagirelle? To bi Juve skupo koštalo jer bi morali platiti nekakve penale...A i neželim sad da me neko krivo shvati, dal je taj Pastore stvarno tak dobar ili je on samo ime na koje se drka? Pitam to jer puno ljudi kaže da više neigra tak dobro i da je to dosta izreklamiran igrač...

Aquilania cemo zadrzat samo ako Liverpool spusti cijenu, a licno ja ga i ne bi zadrzao ,Matria cini mi se mi smo kupili, s tim da je prva sezona posudba pa onda placanje, samo nisam 100% siguran, Quagliarelu cemo vjerovatno otkupit, moguca je ta neka razmjena Giovinco-Quagliarela,al daleko je ljeto,Pastorea sam dosta gledao, mene odusevljava kako igra, po meni najbolji argentinski talenat, zna i on lose odigrat utakmicu, al kako samo daje pas,i elegantno pravo igra, podsjeca me na Zidanea po nekoj lakoci kontrole lopte, veliki veliki talent, a sad i takvi znaju propast, al valja riskirat da bi uspio, izreklamiran igrac sigurno nije, jer ne bi se toliko klubova interesovalo za njeg, al eto o tom po tom,imaces ga nekad priliku gledat pa sam prosudi al ne jednu utakmicu nego vise njih gledaj, jer mladi igraci znaju oscilirat a mozes gledat neku losu predstavu Pastorea pa pomislit da je precjenjen, ja najbolje znam kako igra jer je Juventus dva puta rasuo lijepo, pored Chellinia je lako prolazio kao da mu je tata

[Evil Genius]

menez jest fenomenalan na trenutke al' ne moze spojit dva poluvremena na visokom nivou a da ne pricam o par utakmica tako da AKO bi presao kod vas vidim situaciju slicnu mottinoj - od perspektivnog igraca na pocetku sezone do najveceg kloca medju aktivnim igracima danas
naravno, sanse da ga dovedete su minimalne jer se zasnivaju samo na zidaneovoj izjavi al' vidicemo, sve je moguce . . .

[Bianconeri1988]

Šta će Juventusu kojeg vraga Menez!? Ja sebičnijeg i bezvoljnijeg igrača nisam vidio, dobar je on, to stoji, ali nama ne treba onakav igrač, trebaju nam igrači koji će igrati za kolektiv, a ne za individualnu statistiku, za Meneza je City, al' fakat...čuj Menez

[sarajlija89]

Vidite nesto...nama je potrebeno krilo,a Menez je kvalitetom i znanjem,vanserijski fudbaler,kakvih je malo.Istina, ima dosta indolentnosti i oscilacija u njegovoj igri,ali sve se to da promijeniti sa pravim trenerom,koji ce disciplinom i kvalitetnim radom sve to posloziti.

Isto sam i za Mela govorio...Mascherano nije bolji igrac od Mela 100%...ali Melu fali disciplina i manji rizik u igri,sto se također moze promijeniti sa pravim trenerom.

Vidjeli bi vi kad bi recimo Capello tu bio...

Najvaznije je ekipi vratiti pobjednicki mentalitet,onda bi se i ostale individualne greske dale popraviti....ali najvaznije je da opet znamo pobjeđivat.

Mislim da je Pirlo vrlo blizu prema svim izvjestajima...sto znaci da necemo Aquillanija otkupit???


Opet se smijesna imena za bekove spominju..kakav Cassani i slicni nedo Bog

[juveboy]

Sanchez je igrac za nas. . . Igrac koji bi bio veliko pojacanje. . .

[dzenan01]

Dobar je Bastos, ali za njega ne treba dati više od 20 miliona . Što kaže sarajlija za bekove se opet spominju neki polovnjaci, pa dajte ljudi dajte 10-ak i dovedite Bosingwu ako već nemože neki bolji i mlađi, a ne Beck i Cassani
Daj Bože Pirlo da dođe, iako ima godina, on je klasa za sebe

[Bianconeri1988]

Piazon je i zvanično potpisao na Chelsea. Inforamiciju je objavio londonski klub na zvaničnoj web stranici.

Evo me kao neki novinar

Sad će njega Marotta na posudbu uz pravo otkupa kojem usput želim sretan 54. rođendan

[Giallorossi]

Moggiju smanjili zatvorsku kaznu sa 1,5 na 1,a njegovom sinu sa 14 mjeseci na samo 5 mjeseci.....

[juveboy]

Nista to nije, on je jos uvijek lopov . . . Smanjivanjem kazne se nista ne postize. . .

[JuveSissoko]

to u vezi kazne, vjerovatno ne zna te ni za koji slucaj je kazna???? ta kazna je za slucaj GEA, menadzerska agencija Moggia i njegovog sina, jer su 4 igraca po prjetnjama da ce imat problema sa ugovorima ubuduce, "uvjerili" da pristanu na prodaju, i to samo 4 igraca, a Moggi poslije ovog suda ide na jos visi sud gdje ce se zalit, pa je opet ocekivat da ce bit i manja kazna, jelde poletili svi da pa misle da je kazna za Calciopoli

[JuveSissoko]

to u vezi kazne, vjerovatno ne zna te ni za koji slucaj je kazna???? ta kazna je za slucaj GEA, menadzerska agencija Moggia i njegovog sina, jer su 4 igraca po prjetnjama da ce imat problema sa ugovorima ubuduce, "uvjerili" da pristanu na prodaju, i to samo 4 igraca, a Moggi poslije ovog suda ide na jos visi sud gdje ce se zalit, pa je opet ocekivat da ce bit i manja kazna, jelde poletili svi da pa misle da je kazna za Calciopoli

p.s.ev malo oko te zatvorske kazne i sta je to zapravo
For those uncertain as to what they were sentenced for I will summarize it.

They were accused of controlling the player market and found not guilty(ovo novine nisu objavile, pa da,sto bi, nije interesantno,samo je interesantno kad se neko "zatvara"). They were instead found guilty of threatening four ex-Juventus players with “never seeing the field again at Juventus” to entice them to accept sale terms. Something I wish someone had done with half our current roster some time ago.(tako je Moggi radio sa Grygerama i Tiagama i tim pijavicama sto nece na transfer listu )

The players were Blasi, Amoruso Zeytulaev and Budjanskij. Funny thing is that in all four cases when they accepted the terms of sale they wound up with longer and more lucrative contracts(malo im para bilo,a na kraju dobise jos vise ) which somewhat contradicts the notion that they left in fear of never playing again but this part of the GEA trial is pretty trivial as it has nothing to do with match fixing or Calciopoli. The part that mattered to us was the player market control which the Moggis won a long time ago.

The Moggis are now going to appeal to yet another court.

[JuveSissoko]

"For those who don’t feel like pouring over 500+ pages I’ll try to summarize some key points. Umberto Agnelli’s son Andrea was being groomed to take the reins at Juventus by the triade. This created a huge threat for the nephews of Giovanni Agnelli and their right arm Montezemolo. For years the triade had operated Juventus without a nickel from the FIAT empire (even before Umberto’s death) and were in charge financially and operationally of the team independent of FIAT/EXOR. Andrea Agnelli taking charge would have further distanced the other side of the family from the Juventus cash cow.

Getting rid of the triade and in particular Moggi and Giraudo became imperative to the Elkann side as noted from the wiretaps that discuss Montezemolo’s maneuvers to rid the team of both men (Galliani knew of it and so did Preziosi). A mere 2 months after Umberto’s death Blanc met with Elkann in Paris over the creation of a role at Juventus when the triade wanted nothing to do with him. He was nonetheless pushed in by John Elkann and began work for the team shortly thereafter. Why was a man who had nothing to do with football being pushed so adamantly by John Elkann? I don’t know but it worried Moggi."
eto vam danasnje uprave, to je cista borba za "kravu muzaru",koja ja tada donosila ogromne pare,kao jedan primjer, Tamoil je u to vrijeme bio najjaci ugovor u svijetu fudbala, pametnom dosta, da vidi sta je taj calciopoli,kakva ba namjestanja i gluposti

[JuveSissoko]

As a result many believe that the Elkanns and Montezemolo had a hand in the scandal which I feel is possible but debatable (granted all the business contacts are there between them and the Tronchetti/Moratti crew but there is no proof of their direct involvement). What is not debatable is that they seized the opportunity when the scandal erupted. They refused to defend the team which then saw both men suspended and the team fall into financial peril warranting a recapitalization from EXOR/FIAT granting full financial and operational control of the team to the Elkann side. Were they connivers or were they mere opportunists? I don’t know. What I feel is that what I just described is however the reason behind their reluctance to defend the team in 2006. Montezemolo went as far as removing the TAR appeal. That pretty much says it all.

Today, things are a bit different which changes the answer. They gave the tifosi the pacifier they were crying for and named Andrea President but the circumstances are completely different now. The team is not the financially independent team it once was and the recapitalization from EXOR makes Andrea more of a puppet than a president. He cannot run the shop as he sees fit. The team is more subservient now than ever before to the FIAT empire and him being there poses little threat compared to what it would have had he taken control when it was the financially independent beast it was in 2006.

"This means that some things can be done but to outright defend the team in civil courts would rock the boat too much. It is one thing to ask for the titles back but to go after those who wronged us would be financial suicide because of how the team ran its operations in the last 5 years. Five years ago it was an option but with all the deals that took place since it is no longer.

First and foremost the team is likely awaiting the end of the Moggi Naples trial to do anything but even if the results there are positive, beyond reassigning our titles what more can they do? Andrea walked into a team that in the last five years made sponsorship deals with all of the entities that helped smear the team (Gazzetta, Telecom, etc.). Who are they going to take to civil court for reparations? If they sued Telecom, the result would be cash up front (if successful) and then a lost sponsor that over time could yield more money. Suing the Gazzetta would be the same. Suing the FIGC would be worse. Not only do I seriously doubt that the FIGC would say “you’re right, we wronged you, here’s hundreds of millions we don’t have” in a sporting tribunal but even if an outside authority forced them to do so what good would it do? Juve would have a ton of money up front and no league to play in. So the big question is who the hell would pay? Those of you who say “Inter, Moratti and Tronchetti” need to re-read the Telecom argument. Like it or not they sponsor us now and are stakeholders."

posted by Gsol, Juventuz.com an eyeopening guy, pravi heroj i fan Juventusa

[JuveSissoko]

"Want to know what he was guilty of by his own admission? He embraced the stigma. In his book he said that he never did anything to quash the theory that he was the all powerful transfer guru with ties to everything because it gave him bargaining power in a league where he had nothing. He was not a powerful politician (Milan), he was not an oil tycoon (Inter), he was not a media mogul (Milan), he was not the league sponsor (Inter) and he was not the league president (Milan), he financed by the Federation’s president’s bank (Lazio-Roma), nor was he the cardholder of all the TV rights (Milan)."

ko se razumije u logiku iz ovog posta ce vidjet sve,pored toliko jacih likova, eto Moggi bi "najjaci" pa kontrolisao sve, yeah my ass